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The love that dares not neigh its name
Cox News Service ^ | July 13, 2004 | Jay Bookman

Posted on 07/13/2004 6:50:48 AM PDT by Area Freeper

"What's next?" Braves pitcher John Smoltz said, when asked his opinion about gay marriage. "Marrying an animal?"

It's fascinating how often that happens. Time and time again, when opponents of gay marriage and gay unions are asked to explain their position, their real underlying concern turns out to be a rather odd fear of bestiality.

That same obsession seems to have afflicted Timothy Dailey, a stern opponent of gay marriage and a senior fellow at the Family Research Council, a national conservative group. In an FRC brochure titled "The Slippery Slope of Same-Sex Marriage," Dailey brings up an obscure case that came to light five years ago about a deluded soul in Missouri named Mark. It seems that Mark fell in love with his pony, named Pixel, and in 1993 actually "married" her in a private ceremony.

"She's gorgeous. She's sweet. She's loving," Mark was quoted as saying in unbridled affection. "I'm very proud of her ... . Deep down, way down, I'd love to have children with her."

For Dailey, this was a call to arms. Like Smoltz, he worries that if gay marriage or gay unions are allowed, there would also be nothing in the law to stop couples such as Mark and Pixel from also getting hitched.

"Once marriage is no longer confined to a man and a woman," Dailey warned, "it is impossible to exclude virtually any relationship between two or more partners of either sex -- even nonhuman 'partners.' "

Imagine, if you will, the possible implications of such a thing. For example, it could mean that animals who enter this country illegally might be able to marry U.S. citizens and then demand the right to vote, for goodness' sake.

To avert such calamities, Dailey and others are pushing for an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would define marriage as a union between a man and a woman, thus removing any possibility that individual states could decide for themselves to sanction bestiality or gay unions. The proposed amendment is scheduled to be debated and voted on this week in the U.S. Senate, and it's expected to be a bitter and divisive fight.

So I have a proposal: If the real, underlying issue in this debate is the fear that human beings will someday be allowed to marry animals -- if Smoltz, Dailey and others are honestly and truly worried by that prospect -- then let's address that issue head on. Let's pass a Federal Animals, Relationships and Marriage amendment to the U.S. Constitution that outlaws all interspecies marriages, period.

The FARM act would have two other important advantages over the proposed Federal Marriage Amendment. First, this is a deeply divided nation, and the last thing we need is something to get us even angrier at one another.

What we need instead is something that will unite us, a cause that all of us can rally behind. And surely all Americans -- with the notable exception of one very lonely guy out in Missouri -- can get behind the FARM act and thus protect human-to-human marriage from this dire threat.

By championing the FARM act, President Bush could finally make good on his promise to be a uniter, not a divider. And John Kerry could use the amendment to demonstrate yet again that there are some issues too important to compromise on. As far as I know, he is now and has always been opposed to human-animal sex, even during the '60s.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bestiality; homosexualagenda; samesexmarriage; sexualorientation; slipperyslope
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To: Jayhuck; Jim Robinson
Jim, I'm not sure you've seen this quote:

I can't believe you think moveon.org is a communist/fascist site, and yet Freerepublic is somehow balanced.

At your unbalanced service,

jp

241 posted on 07/13/2004 2:51:08 PM PDT by Petronski (Soros: a left-wing billionaire currency speculator who funds many liberal efforts)
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To: Jayhuck
And if you don't think writing discrimination into the constitution . . .

Do your lies never end?

242 posted on 07/13/2004 2:53:19 PM PDT by Petronski (Soros: a left-wing billionaire currency speculator who funds many liberal efforts)
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To: Jayhuck
Most of the posts on here are whiney, so I don't see how I'm any different.

Could be the anal sex and manlove...

243 posted on 07/13/2004 2:55:06 PM PDT by Petronski (Soros: a left-wing billionaire currency speculator who funds many liberal efforts)
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To: Jayhuck
If our constitution can ban a certain group from doing something, when it doesn't endanger anyone else...

Oooh. Another lie.

244 posted on 07/13/2004 2:57:30 PM PDT by Petronski (Soros: a left-wing billionaire currency speculator who funds many liberal efforts)
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To: Jayhuck
Homosexuals would be discriminated against, because you are denying them the same life, liberty and pursuit of happiness that straight people enjoy.

Not so. That's a big stinking lie. Nothing in the law prevents you from getting married just because you are gay.

245 posted on 07/13/2004 3:00:46 PM PDT by Petronski (Soros: a left-wing billionaire currency speculator who funds many liberal efforts)
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To: Jayhuck

Free Republic does not claim to be "balanced" or faire:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts

Buh bye, troll.


246 posted on 07/13/2004 3:03:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: subterfuge
Yes, the were so committed to each other that they agreed to each of them getting there very own, living sex-toys. They imported their young male-concubines from Asian countries and support them in every way. Just the four of them living in a wonderfully normal and supportive group grope.

Sweet Lord! Is that true?

247 posted on 07/13/2004 3:04:01 PM PDT by Petronski (Soros: a left-wing billionaire currency speculator who funds many liberal efforts)
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To: Jayhuck

See ya. I knew you would get banned (see post 169).

You might have been a worthwhile contributer had you avoided continuing on with the pro-gay posts. But I doubt it. You seem to be focused on your homosexuality as the sole definition for your life. Too bad.


248 posted on 07/13/2004 6:29:40 PM PDT by spodefly (This post meets the minimum daily requirements for cynicism and irony.)
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To: Petronski

LOL.

I love you man. And I mean that in a healthy, brotherly sort of way.


249 posted on 07/13/2004 6:34:43 PM PDT by spodefly (This post meets the minimum daily requirements for cynicism and irony.)
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To: spodefly

No eros, just delphos....got it. Back atcha. ;O)


250 posted on 07/13/2004 6:40:11 PM PDT by Petronski (Twenty-nine Helens agree: Promptness is very important.)
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To: Jayhuck
Finally we're getting to some actual thought.

The premise of your argument is that the criterion for "abnormal" is "hurts others". (Please note there is no science or medicine or "modern psychology" in your premise. A mesolithic nomad could have articulated it -- and probably did.)

Therefore, masochism is "normal".

Or is there another criterion you want to add to your first?

251 posted on 07/14/2004 5:08:40 AM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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To: Area Freeper

It's up to a healthy society where the line is drawn. We will not be told where to draw it by activist judiciary, or any government agency. We will demand that the Congress and Senate pass laws protecting the right of society to define marriage according to the general moral dictates, or what is considered the norm.


252 posted on 07/14/2004 5:20:38 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Jayhuck

The return of JAY-SON.
Moveon.org IS communist.
What?
Don't ike hearing that?
OOooh, bet that stings a little to hear the truth.
Go home troll.
Oopsies, you did that already.


253 posted on 07/14/2004 5:35:32 AM PDT by Darksheare (Join Artillery! Get paid to BLOW THINGS UP and BREAK THINGS. And mom said that wasn't possible.)
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To: Petronski
"Yes, the were so committed to each other that they agreed to each of them getting there very own, living sex-toys. They imported their young male-concubines from Asian countries and support them in every way. Just the four of them living in a wonderfully normal and supportive group grope."

"Sweet Lord! Is that true?"

It is absolutely true. On his last trip down he had pictures of himself and his "companions" traveling the world. He felt compelled to explain who was who and showed no reservations about doing so. Just so everyone knows, I still love the guy. He is the only living person on my Dad's side of the family that I know of. He has never been out of academics his entire life, which speaks volumes.

254 posted on 07/14/2004 6:07:13 AM PDT by subterfuge (Liberalism is, as liberalism does.)
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To: subterfuge

[shudder]


255 posted on 07/14/2004 6:11:28 AM PDT by Petronski (Twenty-nine Helens agree: Promptness is very important.)
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To: Jayhuck
"Ann Coulter's hypocrisy happened......I couldn't, in good conscience, live with it. :)"

See, hear's the thing. Your not refuting anything by saying this. Sure, Ann probably called someone a name. She's a writer and has to keep it interesting. Writing has to have some Pop and she no doubt responded to someone like Ted-the-swimmer-Kennedy comparing W to the Taliban. Of course I don't really know that because you never state exactly what you're talking about.

Also, I got your FReep mail and No, I don't know you. My mentioning that it was possibly time for your OPUS was an instinctive judgment by a true FReeper that immediately pegged you as a short-timer on the forum. Hope you come back to FR to get this message because I cannot e-mail your personal addy.

256 posted on 07/14/2004 6:23:01 AM PDT by subterfuge (Liberalism is, as liberalism does.)
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To: Jayhuck

Just because you do not know of anyone personally does not mean that they do not exist. I don't know anyone who has been murdered, but I know that people ARE murdered. I tried to find info for you regarding the harmful effects of anal sex on the web and can not go to those sites from the computer I am at. You can easily do a search yourself for the information.


257 posted on 07/14/2004 6:36:49 AM PDT by PreviouslyA-Lurker (al-Qa'ida terrorists are cowards who hide behind masks and decapitate helpless victims.)
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To: tdadams

You seem to have some sort of mental block towards the word average.


258 posted on 07/14/2004 6:38:02 AM PDT by PreviouslyA-Lurker (al-Qa'ida terrorists are cowards who hide behind masks and decapitate helpless victims.)
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To: PreviouslyA-Lurker

No, you seem to have a mental block about how this "average" probably isn't the actual average. In order to arrive at an actual average, you have to have a reliable statistical sample. I pointed out why this method does not provide that. That's your lesson for the day. You're welcome.


259 posted on 07/14/2004 6:48:18 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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