Sure, the founders decided that the right to life, liberty and property were inalienable rights. -- And all of us who support our Constitution agree with that to this day.
-- However, back then, and to this day, -- we have NEVER all agreed upon a 'Creator', nor did we include that in the BOR's.
Thus, the only moral basis for those rights we agreed upon were those based on natural rights, not those based on any particular religion.
Now you've gone and ruined it. You crash and burn. The DOI states emphatically that those rights are granted by the Creator
You're assuming it's ~your~ vision of a "Creator" they refer to walsh. Not true.
and thus can not be abridged by the state. No religion mentioned, just the Almighty.
Exactly. You've conceded my point.
There is nothing about "inalienable rights granted by the Creator and so included that in the BOR", as you put it, -- in the Bill of Rights.
Never claimed there were
Belied by your own words, quoted boldly just above at #499.
and you should know by now that I know the text of the Constitution as well as you do.
You are desperate, poor fella.
Our Constitution has a moral basis unrelated to ~your~ religious concepts, walsh. Live with that fact.
Thats your opinion and one not supported by the facts Paine. The overwhelming majority of the signaturees were Christians who were informed by their Christianity. And if that causes you angst, so be it.
No angst here walsh. The plain words of our Constitution & its Amendments support my view, not yours.
You can't read Paine. The "icluded that" in the sentence referred to life, liberty and property, not the Creator. But you knew that already. My last comment to you stands.