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Immigration bill falters as election takes center stage
Sac Bee ^ | 7/12/04 | Emily Bazar

Posted on 07/12/2004 8:06:22 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: TexasCowboy
I had to step out for a couple of hours and I return to find you posting about America and American workers like some bizarro, Texas version of Nikita Kruschev on qualudes.

There are no harder working, more productive, efficient, well educated workers on the face of the earth than Americans.

The Liberals have done their best to tear us down, but we're still the best in the whole damn world.

I'd still put Americans up against the workers from any country in the world and we'd kick their butts.

Who do you think is responsible for our military's superiority, the French, illegal aliens?

"If the wages of one segment of society goes up considerably, that wage increase is automatically reflected in society as a whole."

Did one of your old bosses sell you that line when you went in to ask for a raise?

What did he tell you? Did he say your raise would bring about the destruction of society as we know it? So, sorry Tex, no raise?

"I challenge you to find a group of 100 men and women who would go to the fields and work like the migrants work, even for $20 an hour. It ain't gonna happen!"

Yeah, you were the last hard-working American there was and now you're 64 and the country's out of luck.

LOL!

"The lack of productivity itself would drive up the price of everything because more workers would be required to do the same job."

You're kidding, right?

It'd take more than one American to do the work that an illegal alien would do? That's what you believe?

What 3rd world cesspool do you have the United States of America mixed up with?

"What union do you work for?"

I don't work for a union, but you sure could have used one.

I can't believe anybody in their right mind would do the work you did and have absolutely no idea how many peaches you picked and for how much a peach.

I can understand the growers contriving a way to make it difficult for you to figure it out, because they want to cheat you.

What I can't believe is you never attempted to do a little simple math to figure it out.

I'll just bet you were picking peaches for a penny or less a peach.

You just didn't know it.

You can bet the peach growers, that fooled you into doing the job for a pittance, knew.

121 posted on 07/12/2004 8:48:09 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: TexasCowboy
"We, in America, cannot fathom the kind of devotion it takes to sacrifice our lives so our loved ones can live year after year."

Go take a walk through a military cemetery and then tell us again how we in America don't know the meaning of sacrifice.

I can't believe this.

Yo Tex, "Remember the Alamo!"

What was that you said about Americans and sacrifice?

122 posted on 07/12/2004 9:02:39 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: novacation
All that, if it wasn't a gross exaggeration of the facts, and it still wouldn't add a dime to the cost of a peach.

If these agricultural employers aren't obligated to deduct payroll taxes and pay workman's comp insurance and health benefits for their employees, who's going to do it?

The rest of us tax paying U.S. citizens?

The study I alluded to found that lettuce pickers would have to be paid $250 an hour for lettuce to cost the consumer $5.00 a head.

We don't need all of these illegal aliens.

Illegal aliens cost the U.S. Taxpayers a net $27 billion to $93 billion dollars each year depending on who you ask.

I'd rather pay a couple cents more for a head of lettuce or a peach. It'd be a lot cheaper in the long run.

123 posted on 07/12/2004 9:22:16 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: TexasCowboy

Them dang cowboys love to keep you wonderin'


124 posted on 07/12/2004 9:26:49 PM PDT by B4Ranch (We're going to take things away from you (guns) on behalf of the common good." Hillary 6/29/2004)
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To: 4Freedom

I'm not making excuses for having illegals. I don't want them here.I just don't think you understand how much benefits and payroll taxes cost. The $250 an hour thing makes zero sense.


127 posted on 07/12/2004 10:05:39 PM PDT by novacation
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To: novacation
It wasn't my study, but it seems pretty straight forward.

What the study says is that an experienced agricultural worker can harvest so many heads of lettuce in an hour, that an employer could pay them the equivalent of $250 in hourly wages and benefits and would only raise the cost of a head of lettuce to a consumer to $5.00.

The point they're trying to make is there isn't a need for all of this cheap illegal alien labor that the growers are demanding we let in.

The labor cost associated with harvesting our Nation's produce is only a small percentage of the price we pay for it in the supermarket.

There's room for the growers to pay American ag-workers to do the harvesting and we'd hardly even notice the increase in the final price.

128 posted on 07/12/2004 10:48:48 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
leaving five children ... in Michoacán so she could earn money for them here....
In Mexico, Lopez made about $15 a week cleaning houses and washing clothes. Here, she makes $6.75 an hour sorting peaches. ...
"I wish there would be an opportunity for me to bring my family with me," Lopez said. "There needs to be some way for people to come into the country."

If she brought five growing children to California, how would she support all of them on the wages she earns here, if she could not support them in Mexico on Mexican wages? Feed them peaches?

Seriously, if she could not support them in Mexico on Mexican wages (perhaps subsidized with any work the children did), she can only "support" them here with taxpayer-paid social programs like WIC, school breakfasts/lunches, Section 8 housing, subsidized utilities, "free" health care, and other forms of welfare.

129 posted on 07/13/2004 12:56:27 AM PDT by heleny
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To: heleny
Don't forget the 'whopping' EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT CHECK! she'll get every year for her 5 little Mexican citizens, if she's allowed to bring them here.

By the time we add up what this illegal alien and her brood will cost the U.S. Taxpayers every year,:

-$50,000 each year to educate them,

-Section 8 housing assistance,

-Food Stamps,

-Welfare,

-free health care,

-subsidized utilities, etc.,

every peach she picked will have cost us $10.00!!!

Cheap labor?

My eye!

130 posted on 07/13/2004 8:16:50 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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