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Immigration bill falters as election takes center stage
Sac Bee ^ | 7/12/04 | Emily Bazar

Posted on 07/12/2004 8:06:22 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

LIVE OAK - Peaches are in season, and Leticia Lopez has just spent six hours doubled over a bin, picking out the misfits.

Lopez came to this small town north of Yuba City about a year ago, leaving five children - ages 3 to 17 - in Michoacán so she could earn money for them here. The 34-year-old widow finds it difficult and frightening without her family and without papers.

She would prefer to be here legally, but economic realities compel her to stay.

In Mexico, Lopez made about $15 a week cleaning houses and washing clothes. Here, she makes $6.75 an hour sorting peaches. So, like countless other farm workers, Lopez hopes Congress will approve a guest-worker program that would allow immigrants to live and work in the United States legally.

"I wish there would be an opportunity for me to bring my family with me," Lopez said. "There needs to be some way for people to come into the country."

But Lopez's wishes are colliding with politics on Capitol Hill. Despite high hopes among proponents and furious maneuvering in recent days, the only immigration reform plan deemed to have a chance in Congress this year has stalled.

The measure, informally known as AgJOBS, would grant qualified agricultural workers and their families temporary legal status in the United States. Ultimately, participants could obtain permanent legal status upon completing additional farm work over the next three to six years.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; centerstage; electiontakes; falters; immigrantlist; immigrationbill; immigrationplan
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1 posted on 07/12/2004 8:06:24 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
"I wish there would be an opportunity for me to bring my family with me," Lopez said. "There needs to be some way for people to come into the country."

What a silly thing to say.

As they make up a small fraction of illegals & they perform a useful function, temporary work visas for agworkers is fine.

But NO families, NO path to permanent residency.

2 posted on 07/12/2004 8:11:29 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
But NO families, NO path to permanent residency.


* Once farm workers earn permanent legal status, their spouses and minor children have it as well.

as well as their cousins, their neighbors, their friends, their....

3 posted on 07/12/2004 8:17:37 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: azhenfud
as well as their cousins, their neighbors, their friends, their....

No doubt. An illegal alien who doesn't claim to be a farm worker will be about as hard to find as an honest leftist.

4 posted on 07/12/2004 8:27:08 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
"There needs to be some way for people to come into the country."

There IS a way; it's called legal immigration.

Take a number, ma'am.

5 posted on 07/12/2004 8:29:07 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: Howlin
Take a number, ma'am.

Damn right. A country that takes in more immigrants legally than all other major nations combined has got nothing to apologize for.

6 posted on 07/12/2004 8:46:14 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

And why is she whining to US? Why doesn't she whine to Fox about not being able to make a living in Mexico?


7 posted on 07/12/2004 8:58:22 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: NormsRevenge; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
Click to see other threads related to illegal aliens in America
Click to FR-mail me for addition or removal

And the beat goes on....

8 posted on 07/12/2004 9:08:30 AM PDT by HiJinx (Be sure to catch the John & John Show on station WDNC!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

If there is a good reason to alter the immigration quotas to allow more legal immigrants into the U.S. who WANT to become U.S. citizens and WANT to perform work here, fine. Increase the immigration quotas.

As for special "guest worker" visas which allow non-citizens to come to the U.S. to perform work here, who are NOT interested in becoming Americans, who will send American dollars to another Country, who might compete with American citizens for other jobs, who will form a permanent underclass of disenfranchised foreigners living as a foreign colony in America - I say no deal.

Either you want to be an American or you don't. If you don't want to be an American, I don't want you here, except as a tourist spending money or a student spending money.

The entire "guest visa" program is a poor idea which will generate lots of problems for the American public while only benefitting those employers who exploit them and those countries who ship them here and a group of radicals seeking to detach the American southwest from the U.S. in order to reunite it with Mexico.

And people who break our laws by coming here illegally, regardless of motivation, should not be entitled to benefit from that law-breaking.


9 posted on 07/12/2004 9:09:54 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: NormsRevenge
"There needs to be some way for people to come into the country."

There is. The United States accepts more legal immigrants each year than any other country.

Coming here isn't a problem, just don't crawl under a fence, swim a river, or dig a tunnel to do so.

10 posted on 07/12/2004 9:27:22 AM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: HiJinx

The more things change the more they stay the same, especially when the government is involved.


11 posted on 07/12/2004 9:35:26 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Some days, nothing goes left.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The elites and country clubbers want an imported serf class and they have one. If people come here illegally they should be kept as serfs and picking peaches or what have you. If you make them legal they won't be picking the peaches and pecans or will be paid too much for doing it.

If you sneak in here you and your children should get nothing but the serf jobs you claim to fill that Americans refuse to do.
12 posted on 07/12/2004 9:48:22 AM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: ZULU
Peach producers, etc. can raise wages and offer benefits and they'll have all the American help they need.

There's no shortage of American workers. Just a shortage of American workers that will do that job for $6.75 with no benefits.

13 posted on 07/12/2004 9:56:58 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: Howlin; HiJinx; NormsRevenge; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; ...
I think it's time I jumped into this controversy, and before y'all rip me to shreds, hear me out:

I was a kid on the cotton farms of West Texas when the Bracero Program was in effect.
It worked great.
Men brought their families over from Mexico for a short time to chop the cotton or pull the cotton, then they returned to Mexico.
There was no free ride for anything. Everything the workers needed had to be provided by the employer who had requested them.
Me and my family were pulling cotton right beside the Braceros. We ate what they ate, and we lived in the community housing provided just like they did.
When the work was finished for that farmer or group of farmers, the Braceros gladly went back to Mexico.
They could live all year in Mexico on the wages made in three months of pulling cotton, while we went to California to pick fruit or New Mexico to gather potatoes because we were Americans.

The balance shifted when the liberals decided that the Bracero Program smacked of slavery, and it was disbanded.
Now it's much more attractive for the illegals to remain in the US and take advantage of the multitude of welfare programs available.
That doesn't mean that the whole idea of importing workers for a short period of time for specific duties is a bad one.
GW's plan calls for three to five years illegal residence. That's entirely too long.
His plan doesn't address the problems associated with the millions of illegals already here of which we have no accounting.
His plan doesn't stop the drain from the federal and state coffers to pay for the welfare of these illegals.

GW is a brilliant political strategist.
I just hope that in his next term he modifies his plan to meet the needs of Americans and not Mexicans.

14 posted on 07/12/2004 9:58:08 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TexasCowboy

Well said, my FRiend.

Are you interested in becoming a policy adviser in the next Bush Administration?

I'd forward a letter to the President on your behalf (for all the good that would do!), because I'm willing to bet you'd do a much better job of protecting American interests than the current crop.


15 posted on 07/12/2004 10:01:38 AM PDT by HiJinx (Be sure to catch the John & John Show on station WDNC!!!)
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To: TexasCowboy

I agree 100 percent.

And thanks for your story. I, too, think that would work! AGAIN.


16 posted on 07/12/2004 10:04:18 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: TexasCowboy

Former apricot-picking BUMP.


17 posted on 07/12/2004 10:06:43 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: 4Freedom

Where are those workers working now?


18 posted on 07/12/2004 10:06:46 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: TexasCowboy
And you didn't even mention all the anchor babies that will be dropped during that 3-year period. (Which assumes they will return home after then...fat chance.)

The politicians don't even pretend to get it. The truth is, they don't give a d**n about all the havoc their inane policies wreak on the lives of those who have to live with them, day after day.

BTW, my children are half Mexican, for those poised to shoot the racist arrow.

19 posted on 07/12/2004 10:06:49 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Will the last American leaving Southern California please take the flag?)
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To: NormsRevenge
"I wish there would be an opportunity for me to bring my family with me," Lopez said. "There needs to be some way for people to come into the country."

Why, so they can start receiving welfare and education benefits?

20 posted on 07/12/2004 10:10:36 AM PDT by Bella_Bru (It's for the children = It takes a village)
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