Posted on 07/12/2004 12:05:47 AM PDT by neverdem
I will only be concerned when RINO's are headlining the ticket. So far its still Bush and Cheney from what I remember.
The conservatives' anxiety was fueled by the Abu Ghraib prisoner-abuse scandal
Right.
AMEN!!!!!!
Spare us the histrionics will ya?
Some of us give a damn about conservatisms future that's why we bitch. Hell, somebodys gotta keep pulling back on the reigns of the Christian right so we don't get pulled over the cliff.
Why does that mean we're going to vote for anti-American idiots like those you mentioned?
97 percent of CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS support Bush, according to the latest Pew Research survey.
Just how would you 3 percenters like Bush punished?
Do you think putting Kerry in the Oval Office will "show him" just how serious you are?
Part of the problem we have right now is that they USE to be in control of the party -- and now that they're not, they are determined to trash the rest of us.
Bwaahahaha! I didn't even see that line. Yeah, right wingers were really distraught about Abu Garaib. LOL.
Yep. Bells and whistles went off when I read it!
Why don't they get Michael Reagan to speak? He's the only remaining Reagan who really "gets it."
The fact is there are societal and political realities that the extremes of the party refuse to accept.
The far right has similarities to the far left in that legislation and governmental intrutsion seem to be the main responses to what they feel are the problems in our culture.
I firmly believe that less government intrusion and manipulation will allow for the the society (especially in terms of personal behavior and morality) to reach it's own healthy equilibrium.
Maybe he is, and I often disagree with him, but...he is one of the few left that provides a balance to the fingers-in-the-ears crowd.
Someone's got to get the message to the GOP that they are going too far with this "look...we're all moderates" push. And now is the time to do it, before the convention.
Here's one of the upcoming convention speakers:
Mayor Michael Bloomberg, New York City: "There's too many guns on the street. And people use guns. Guns have one purpose, it is to kill people. There is no reason to have a gun."
How about we get Michael Reagan on the podium?
Dole established the GOP tradition of not reading the platform. "Show me your company and I'll tell you who you are". This is not a Conservative Party any longer it is a RINO Party. That's why Bush endorsed Specter.
The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools.
--Herbert Spencer
The picture you paint is a fair and balanced defense of SC's goals based on Christian teachings in their ideal, educated conservative form.
My argument is that although you are correct about the doctrine itself and perhaps even the intent, the practice and/or interpretation comes across in such a manner that it scares average moral Americans (who according to you should have nothing to fear). And, it scares them enough to vote for Democrats. Thus, something must be rotten in Denmark.
I will admit to intentionally nitpicking by pulling out these words you used:
of the ability to control vice
as a prime example of the type of language that SC's use that causes them to split the party. The Vice Police or religious police are exactly the type of institutions that exist in the theocratic systems of Islam.
Moreover, the undoubted response of an SC to the question, "Who decides what is moral?" is to revert to the Christian bible. Unfortunately, there are some disagreements in different cultures with regards to things such as divorce and pre-marital sex. Thus, in a pluralistic culture such as America, talk about controlling vice can quickly be interpreted as an attempt to impose Christian religious values on others regardless of religion.
I do not want you to get me wrong, I agree with most of the basic SC tenets. That is not the point. Rather that their "bible thumping" generally does more damange to Republicans causes on a national (and often state) level than it does good.
good post. There is no comparison btwn the Taliban and what mainstream Chirstianity wants. The Bible says we are first citizens of heaven.
They would believe in what we stand for if it would get them votes, but let's face it, many of the issues you and I believe in are too divisive or seen negatively by many who are in the middle.
I'm not saying it's right, it's just the reality. The GOP can't afford to do anything that could cost them votes in key segments.
LOL...here on planet Earth, there are few advocates of the use of government power greater than "moderate" Republicans.
Conservative Republicans have wanted to shrink government for a long time, but are always blocked by moderates. Apparently, the fact that conservatives want to amend the Constitution to stop the impelmentation of court-ordered homogamy is some kind of awful threat, on a par with Alar.
I think it's because a large number of the party leaders don't really like it all that much.
If you take a look at the political activism and leanings of the Episcopalean Church, you'll see that on a political level, the differences can run much deeper than that, even within the Christian community.
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