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#####His actual words in saying he opposed abortion were, "There is something called freedom of conscience in the Catholic Church. I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life begins at conception. But I don't take my Catholic beliefs, my article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant, on a Jew, or an atheist who doesn't share it. We have separation of church and state in the United States of America."#####

#####I don't think that people understand what he is saying. He is saying that he does NOT like abortion. He PERSONALLY doesn't want it. However, he cannot make a law against something just because his religion does not believe in it.#####

No one's asking him to make a law against something because of his religion. The issue is when a new human life begins. Either it begins at conception or it begins at some other point. Kerry says he believes it begins at conception, which by definition means he is consciously choosing to sanction the killing of human beings when he opposes banning abortion.

But it goes deeper than that. Kerry doesn't just oppose banning abortions. He also favors forcing taxpayers to pay for them. In other words, after lecturing us on his alleged concern for "separation of church & state", he supports forcing people who are Catholic to pay for abortions in violation of their religious faith.

In addition, he opposed the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which provided punishment for someone who harms a WANTED unborn baby. How does he comport that position with his stated views? Is he worried about imposing his Catholicism on violent abusers of women and their unborn babies?

Let's face it....the issue of when a new human life begins isn't a religious issue, it's a scientific one. And a new human life does indeed begin at conception. Period. That's the point that genetic material from two existing human beings comes together to form a new living human being. Life can't begin at any other point. But if it could, why should that be relevant under Kerry's stated position? Should we legalize infanticide up through age two if someone doesn't "believe" life begins until that point?

Life begins where it begins, at that's at conception.

#####He talks of separation of church and state. That is what we are supposed to have in America.#####

Not exactly, but it's too much of a deal to go into that right now.

#####This is why we cannot have organized prayer in schools. It is also why you cannot ban gay marriage on the account of your 'religion' being against it.#####

Odd, but we had organized school prayers until 1963, and banned gay marriage everywhere until very, very recently. How was that accomplished if your view of "separation of church & state" is accurate?

Use your head and think about that and you'll realize how absurd the Kerry "separation of church & state" argument is.

#####I am Catholic as well. I also study medicine. I don't like abortion, either.#####

Then you should know that the point at which a new human life begins is defined by science, not religion, and that point is conception.

#####I wish it was illegal. However, I do understand his point that he cannot make it illegal because he doesn't like it. That would be unconstitutional and totally against 'American' values. I hope everyone can understand that.#####

Then we'll see if Kerry is consistent and drops his support for a law banning employment discrimination against homosexuals. After all, it wouid be unconstitutional for him to ban something just because he doesn't like it. That would be totally against American Values, you know.


68 posted on 07/11/2004 5:16:04 PM PDT by puroresu
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To: puroresu
Life begins where it begins, at that's at conception

To avoid catching ourselves in contradictions unawares let us stipulate that A human life begins at conception. Life has had no beginnings since "And God said...". The ovum is alive as is the sperm but separately they do not constitute a human being. At conception, when the blueprint is united and the construction begins, there is a human being . At birth there is no change inside that human, he merely goes outside.

105 posted on 07/12/2004 2:42:41 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong la nguoi di hanh huong den La Vang)
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