Posted on 07/10/2004 5:58:17 PM PDT by Pikamax
I would encourage you, if you are seeking the truth about Rick Warren and this phenomenon in the church, to go to Deception in the Church. com. Click on Articles or do a
search. There is a plethora of information. Caution, you will be entering the "no spin zone". The philosophy, theology(lack, thereof) and shallowness of this movement is truly sad.
Yet Warren is not a household name.
Maybe in yur house, but here in flyover land....
He has crept under the media radar while building his religious empire.
Shocking! Given how normally the media does just a good job of covering religion.
(note: that's what's known as sarcasm)
I went throught the 40 Days of Purpose meetings and read the book faithfully. Personally, I found it to be the best Bible study I have ever seen. I don't have alot of scriptures memorized and would honestly have to classify myself as a "babe in Christ". This book varified all the things I had been taught ALL MY LIFE and it backed up ALL statements with not just one reference to scripture, but several references. I believe that Rick Warren's book will help me grow in the word of God and become a better Chrisian. I plan to keep this book for life and use it as a reference book for questions that I have. I consider it to be a "how to" book on Christian living. I heartily recommend it.
The first Disciple study covers every book in the Bible, takes 9 months to complete and meets every week.
One good thing I can say about the Methodist church.
I also took Disciple II; now they have 4 or 5 additional Bible studies in the series.
Could you explain what you think "real teaching" might entail. please?
I am curious as to how you dislike these words.
The host and three other Lutheran pastors discuss the book and its Scriptural implications and interpretations in a roundtable format...very enlightening for those who would take this book as an amazing gospel tool.
Well, there's a little justifiable hyperbole there. By no means is 40 Days without error. On more than one occasion I would read something and it would strike me as unsupported or questionable. But that is to be expected of a book written by a man.
Taken with the appropriate grain of salt, though, I still think it is an interesting and useful introduction to a Christian life.
Jesus matde it clear to the perfect rich man who upheld the law to sell all he owned and follow Him. But there is none righteous among us, is there? No, just some who make a business of religion by writing "feel good" books on a 3rd grade level.
Oh were it so easy that we could all just turn to one human being for an infallible interpretation of God's word
Oh we do -- He was fully human.
Christ told us how we should live and that is in the Bible. He tolds us we should not profit from God; he said we should love God more than even our parents and our neighbors like ourselves. Is there a single person on earth who can claim that -- or do you think Mr. Warren's has turned people into true believers of this kind? Do you love your neighbor as thyself? Do you love your God more than your mother, father, wife child? None of us does! Is there a single one of you "1st century apostles" ready to sell what you have and devote your life to preaching Christ's message? It's all "feel good" religion that makes good money and is easy to follow. Being a Christian is not easy. Do you fast?
You want to read good books? There were many people who write much better than Warren's 3rd grade stuff. I wholeheartedly suggest a giant like St. John of Damascus. He lived in the 8th century AD. Read and compare. It's all about God and not about us.
Let me ask you: is the Bible sufficient or not? Yes or no.
Trying to reach God through logic/reason is the Western approach, as if God were comprehensible and subject to our logic. You are better off figuring out what God is not than what He is.
God bless.
alpha worte:
"GREAT ARTICLE!
does anyone have pastor warrens web site?"
Here:
http://www.saddleback.com
http://www.purposedrivenlife.com
http://www.pastors.com
Just asnwer me if the Bible is sufficient. Yes or no.
Are you saying the Bible is not sufficient?
It confirmed my belief about this new age, pro UN, thinkset that currently has turned main stream churches into nothing more than business fronts that lead the seekers away from the True Word of God...
THANKS. Much appreciated.
If you REALLY think
he doesn't have a high and proper respect and place for JESUS, THE CROSS, A BIBLICAL VIEW OF SIN and hell,
THEN
I think you don't have a clue about the man and his heart felt, vividly lived-out priorities, values and Biblical standards.
I guess being
'absolutely sold out to God'
is insufficient, for you.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
I never have enjoyed haughty pharisaical attitudes nor, usually, the denominations where they seem to particularly reign supreme.
They are plenty abundant in every denomination!
If you think
JESUS, THE CHRIST, OUR LORD, THE KING OF KINGS . . .
IS NOT BEHIND THIS MAN'S WORK WHOLESALE,
then I think your senses are blunted, blind or very confused
or the synapses which make sense out of your sense are confused.
He is clearly sold out to Jesus and doing Jesus' work with every cell and fiber of his being. He's not in it for the money and he's clearly reaching 100's of thousands that you would never reach.
Try throwing rocks at him when you look God the Father in the eye!
Please see my reply to # 18 above.
Sigh.
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