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To: cyncooper
I'm still not so sure Kelly killed himself over that at all... though that gave the press something to mull over instead of wondering if he killed himself or was murdered because of his knowledge of Iraq's anthrax program. If he killed himself, it is just as plausible that he did so because his credibility and name had been destroyed by Gilligan's distortions of what he's said.

Were these quotes in Gilligans' reports 'in character' for Kelly? From what I've read, it doesn't appear to be so, but I may be wrong. Did Kelly join leftwing groups like Ritter did against the war? I don't know if he did but no one's ever mentioned it. He's been pretty harsh on Iraq from what I've read.

A snippet from "BIOWEAPONS: British Expert Leaves Impressive Arms Control Legacy," Richard Stone, Science Magazine

Kelly, a microbiologist by training and a senior adviser to the Proliferation and Arms Control Secretariat of the U.K.'s Ministry of Defence, was widely respected for his expertise and his courteous, but forceful, dealings with adversaries bent on hiding illicit bioweapons activities. As one of the chief weapons inspectors in Iraq, Kelly made one of the biggest discoveries of his life. In the early 1990s, searching for evidence of an offensive bioweapons effort in Iraq, Kelly and U.S. colleague Richard Spertzel noticed something suspicious: A few years earlier, Iraq had gone on a buying spree, importing 39 tons of bacterial growth media. Officials produced documents claiming that the agar was for hospitals to diagnose infections. But when the inspectors compared Iraqi imports with those into neighboring countries Iran and Syria, figuring they should be similar, "it was clear that Iraq's imports were way too high," Kelly said in an interview with Science shortly before his death.
In addition, the agar's bulk packaging did not correspond with its intended use. The inspectors accused Iraqi officials of forging the documents and importing the agar for the production of anthrax and other strains, forcing them in 1995 to acknowledge for the first time that Iraq had pursued a clandestine offensive bioweapons program....

Kelly also was a key player in efforts in the early 1990s to ferret out the extent of the Soviet Union's offensive bioweapons efforts. After key details of the program emerged from two defectors in the dying days of the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, the United States, and a grudging Russia signed a trilateral agreement in 1992 that called for inspections at facilities suspected of being engaged in recent bioweapons activities. The initiative unraveled in the mid-1990s due to Russia's reluctance to come clean on its past activities and refusal to permit inspections of military labs. Kelly, the only expert to have taken part in all the trilateral site visits, had warned recently that Russia has yet to demonstrate convincingly that it has abandoned its offensive bioweapons program.

Say, if we managed to link the anthrax in the October 2001 attacks on the US to Iraq and/or Russia, don't you think it would be obvious that the Russians hadn't abandoned their offensive bioweapons program?

How much would it be worth to keep that hid?

262 posted on 07/10/2004 7:51:11 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: piasa

IIRC, Kelly supported the war. He also made almost the exact opposite statements in his other interview with a different reporter then Gilligan quoted him making.

Kelly's beef, supposedly, with the British document was merely how quickly Hussein could prepare his WMDs for use - not whether he had them, was a long term threat, or needed to go.


263 posted on 07/10/2004 7:58:57 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (We always have been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France. -Duke Wellington)
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To: piasa
Please read the testimony I linked. Kelly did say what was attributed to him by Gilligan and Watts.

He wasn't murdered, he apparently had a conscious and/or fear of other repercussions so killed himself after he was exposed as doing something (speaking against the government to these reporters) when he shouldn't have, then giving misleading testimony before the hearing.

The quote that Kelly tried like hell to avoid conceding he'd said:

Q23 Mr Chidgey: Thank you. I would just like to read out to you a statement in the notes that were made: "In the run-up to the dossier the Government was obsessed with finding intelligence to justify an immediate Iraqi threat. While we were agreed on the potential Iraqi threat in the future there was less agreement about the threat the Iraqis posed at the moment. That was the real concern, not so much what they had now but what they would have in the future, but that unfortunately was not expressed strongly in the dossier because that takes the case away for war to a certain extent". Finally, "The 45 minutes was a statement that was made and it got out of all proportion. They were desperate for information. They were pushing hard for information that could be released. That was one that popped up and it was seized on and it is unfortunate that it was. That is why there is an argument between the intelligence services and Number 10, because they had picked up on it and once they had picked up on it you cannot pull back from it, so many people will say 'Well, we are not sure about that' because the word smithing is actually quite important." I understand from Miss Watts that is the record of a meeting that you had with her. Do you still agree with those comments?

~snip~

I don't see any contradiction between the Kelly you cite (and with which I am familiar, having researched this) and the Kelly that spoke with Gilligan, Watts and other reporters.

The reason this is on point for this thread is I contend there was a coordinated effort to bring down Blair and Bush with charges of lying about intelligence. That some people were useful fools and manipulated to this end is no surprise.

264 posted on 07/10/2004 8:06:42 PM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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To: piasa

A lot!


268 posted on 07/10/2004 8:20:58 PM PDT by nopardons
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