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To: H.Akston
     "The full scope of the liberty guaranteed by Due Process -- -- is a rational continuum which, broadly speaking, includes a freedom from all substantial arbitrary impositions and purposeless restraints"
Attempts to 'outlaw' consensual sex between adults are "arbitrary & purposeless", hughie."

There are a few exceptions, as in the case of prostitution where if money is traded for consensual sex, it's a crime.

VA, WV, NC, GA, AL, MI, FL, MD, PA, NY, MA, ME, VT, NH, RI, DE, NJ IL, IA, IN, KY, TN, OH, MI, UT, WA, CA, TX and SC have all outlawed [trading money for consensual sex], --
-- which means they have made [trading money for consensual sex] illegal in all or most of their counties.
It doesn't mean they have "regulated" it. "Regulating" something means you tolerate the practice, but control it. Making something illegal, that is "outlawing" it, means you don't tolerate it at all.
Many states have outlawed [trading money for consensual sex], constitutionally and legally.

No hugie, IF they have outlawed the private aspects of "trading money for consensual sex", between willing adults it is unconstitutional.

If they are reasonably regulating the public & commercial aspects of "trading money for consensual sex", those States are acting within their constitutionally mandated 'police powers'.

There are no constitutional exceptions.

458 posted on 07/28/2004 7:24:01 AM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: tpaine

Prostitution is trading money for consensual sex.

Many states have outlawed it. Pull your head out.


460 posted on 07/28/2004 8:09:06 AM PDT by H.Akston (No one died in the attack on Fort Sumter)
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To: tpaine

here's a recap of the essence of why you are wrong:

A state also has the power to outlaw prostitution. - H.Akston

"No hugh" - tpaine

You are reduced to claiming that no state can outlaw prostitution! - H.Akston

"That is a constitutional fact." - tpaine

West Virginia has outlawed prostitution. - H.Akston


West Virginia Code:

§61-8-5. (b) Any person who shall engage in prostitution, ... shall, upon conviction for the first offense under this section, be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of not less than sixty days nor more than six months, and by a fine of not less than fifty dollars and not to exceed one hundred dollars; and upon conviction for the second offense ... a fine of not less than one hundred dollars and not to exceed two hundred fifty dollars, and upon conviction for any subsequent offense ...not less than one year nor more than three years.

"The State of Va gets its power to write criminal law from its 'police power', hughie. " - tpaine

"There are no constitutional exceptions" - tpaine

WVa's police power comes from the WV Constitution. - H.Akston, teacher of tpaine.

West Virginia Constitution:

"Among the powers so reserved to the states is the exclusive regulation of their own internal government and police;" - Article I-2

http://www.terranova.net/Sheriffs-Report/

The owner of an county-wide escort business run out of a home on Big Pine Key pled guilty May 27th to four misdemeanor charges and two felony charges relating to his occupation. 48 year old Michael Knezevich, owner of the Heavenly Bodies Escort Service, was arrested April 14th after he was caught during a prostitution sting in Marathon. He was charged with forcing a person to become a prostitute, deriving support from the proceeds of prostitution, offering to procure a person for the purpose of prostitution and with transporting a person for the purpose of prostitution. Sheriff's detectives with the Special Investigations Division were investigating a number of complaints from citizens about the escort service operated by Knezevich, and other escort businesses operating in the County. On April 28th, detectives served a search warrant at his home on Lobstertail Road on Big Pine Key. They found evidence that he was operating the escort service from that location, and found recording devices set up in several areas where it appears he may have been video taping sexual encounters without the knowledge of his partners. They also found two firearms in the house. At the time, Knezevich had a restraining order filed against him which prohibited him from possessing firearms, so he was charged with contempt of court and the guns were seized. He appeared in court on May 27th and pled guilty to a total of four misdemeanor charges and two felony charges. He was sentenced to 10 days in the county jail and received four years of probation. As a part of the plea agreement, he must also sell his home and move out of the county within 90 days. One of the conditions of his probation is that he not engage in any type of escort business and that he have no contact with any victims or witnesses in the cases in question.

"Such laws [outlawing prostitution] cannot be enforced without violations of other individual rights." - tpaine

Nonsense. "Such laws" were enforced in Monroe County WVA with due process of law and all individual rights were protected.

VA, WV, NC, GA, AL, MI, FL, MD, PA, NY, MA, ME, VT, NH, RI, DE, NJ IL, IA, IN, KY, TN, OH, MI, UT, WA, CA, TX and SC have all outlawed prostitution, which means they have made prostitution illegal in all or most of their counties. It doesn't mean they have "regulated" it. "Regulating" something means you tolerate the practice, but control it. Making something illegal, that is "outlawing" it, means you don't tolerate it at all. Many states have outlawed prostitution, constitutionally and legally.


461 posted on 07/28/2004 8:12:00 AM PDT by H.Akston (No one died in the attack on Fort Sumter)
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