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To: Sandy
"States don't have second amendment protection now"

I understand. Our second amendment rights are defined and protected by our state constitutions -- always were.

My scenario works, and it's not "gloom and doom". It wasn't gloom and doom in Wilmette. Or Morton Grove. Or Chicago. The USSC can incorporate, finding that the individual RKBA is a fundamental right to liberty. Fine.

Sometime down the road, the USSC defines "arms" as excluding handguns, leaving everything else. Certainly that's plausible.

My point is that definition can then be used by the gun grabbers as in my post #126. And instead of that definition being applied by one city or even one state, that definition now applies to all 50 states.

Don't tell me that incorporation can't make things worse.

130 posted on 07/12/2004 9:03:56 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Our second amendment rights are defined and protected by our state constitutions -- always were.

Hardly. You act like the civil war never happened. The 14th meant that the states would be required to protect RKBA, until the Supremes decided that they didn't like that idea. You can pretend otherwise. Some of us will continue to try to get that error fixed.

131 posted on 07/12/2004 9:22:32 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: robertpaulsen
Our second amendment rights are defined and protected by our state constitutions -- always were.

Under the Confederacy. Yes. We became a Republic though and set up a Federal Constitution. The States ceded a certain amount of power to the FedGov. This is a point you refuse to acknowledge as it would ruin your entire "incorporation" argument.

Incorporation was never needed. It is a legal fiction brought about by racist, power monger judicial activists and those like you who persist in being their enablers and dog robbers.

How many more times do we have to go over all of this Bobby? The intent of the Founders is clear, despite the judicial and legislative malfeasance of the last hundred years. Watching you do the same, ignorant, purposefully obtuse song and dance time and again is getting tiresome.

Just keep repeating the big lie. It just firms the rest of our opinions that you are a Brady Campaign shill and a troll.

132 posted on 07/12/2004 9:26:42 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: robertpaulsen
Sometime down the road, the USSC defines "arms" as excluding handguns, leaving everything else. Certainly that's plausible.

No, it's not plausible in the least. Incorporated rights over time get expanded, not contracted. There's no reason to expect that RKBA would be the exception to the rule. Hell, if history is any clue, the next thing you know, the Court will declare that everyone has a right to a taxpayer-provided arsenal.

133 posted on 07/12/2004 9:32:54 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: robertpaulsen; Sandy
Sandy:
"States don't have second amendment protection now"

I understand. Our second amendment rights are defined and protected by our state constitutions -- always were.

The CA Constitution proves you wrong, paulsen. The 2nd Amendment is part of our supreme Law of the Land. Nothing will ever change that.

My scenario works, and it's not "gloom and doom". It wasn't gloom and doom in Wilmette. Or Morton Grove. Or Chicago. The USSC can incorporate, finding that the individual RKBA is a fundamental right to liberty. Fine. Sometime down the road, the USSC defines "arms" as excluding handguns, leaving everything else. Certainly that's plausible.

No, such a definition would be a clear infringement, repugnant, and void. Neither States nor the people would be bound by it.

My point is that definition can then be used by the gun grabbers as in my post #126. And instead of that definition being applied by one city or even one state, that definition now applies to all 50 states. Don't tell me that incorporation can't make things worse.

'Incorporation' is a legal myth. ALL of our Constitutions Amendments apply to ALL levels of Government & to ALL levels of Officials in the USA, unless otherwise specified.

135 posted on 07/12/2004 9:43:53 AM PDT by tpaine (A stupid person causes losses to another while himself deriving no gain, or even incurring loss)
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