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1 posted on 07/08/2004 1:01:01 PM PDT by Akira
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2 posted on 07/08/2004 1:07:37 PM PDT by Spackidagoosh
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OK fine - yes on the F-22 as long as we maintain production of the A-10 warthog. Whoever suggested phasing out the A-10 should be required to catch javelins for 3 days.


3 posted on 07/08/2004 1:09:11 PM PDT by corkoman (Logged in - have you?)
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President Kerry just does not see the need for the F-22. Not when every American needs dental coverage and the UN is there to resolve foreign threats.


4 posted on 07/08/2004 1:15:06 PM PDT by RicocheT
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The article mentions 22 purchased, and I believe an additional 23 were given funding just in the last week.


6 posted on 07/08/2004 1:17:23 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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I've already got my F22.


7 posted on 07/08/2004 1:21:59 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I have no tagline. But I am the worse half of a $2/day monthly donor FReeper family.)
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In 1960, with no U.S. involvement in a hot war, the percentage of GDP spent on defense was 9.3. This year, with wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and anti-terrorist military activities around the world, we're spending a miserly 3.5 percent.

Yet the entire federal budget keeps taking up a higher percentage of the GDP. One has to wonder where all that extra money is going.

8 posted on 07/08/2004 1:22:36 PM PDT by Moonman62
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"The international arms market is now flooded with Su-27 aircraft, because the Russians will sell to anybody with a bit of loose change jingling around. "

Good. Why don't we buy one and disect it to (American-ize it) tweak our jets. The Soviets copied our designs over the past 40 years, so what's the difference. Could save millions in design and research.
9 posted on 07/08/2004 1:22:52 PM PDT by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down...)
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They're training in them at the local (Tyndall AFB) right now although I think they do most of their flying out over the Gulf.


11 posted on 07/08/2004 1:26:56 PM PDT by capt. norm (Rap is to music what the Etch-A-Sketch is to art.)
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The FA-22 is probably the last manned fighter that we will build. The capabilities of the plane are greater than a human body can survive and with the successes in remote control such as in the Global Hawk and Pr editor the writing is on the wall. Look for the last manned plane to be a Wright Patterson AF Museum to be the FA-22 they currently have on display.
14 posted on 07/08/2004 1:29:36 PM PDT by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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The Post claimed the plane's "role is now more ambiguous because no country is developing an aircraft with anything near its capabilities."

That quote exposes the stupidity of the U. S. Press on defense matters in a nutshell.

37 posted on 07/08/2004 2:05:20 PM PDT by Snuffington
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I remember my business professor handing us reams of "data" from his buddies at some libertarian think-tank. The reports called The Raptor, B-2, and F117 total boondoggles. They were wasting public tax money.

As I recall, we students asked if the F-14, F-15, F-16. F-18, Apache, and B-1 programs were also boondoggles. We took a quick look back into late 1960's-mid 1970s news and found the answer. Yes.

Nothing changes.


43 posted on 07/08/2004 2:15:32 PM PDT by sully777 (Our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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btt


47 posted on 07/08/2004 2:18:11 PM PDT by sully777 (Our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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One fundamental factor to our sucesses on the battlefield is our ability to gain and hold air superiority. While the F-15 does have a perfect kill record(something like 108-0), we're still looking at an airplane that was designed in the 1960s and first fielded in the early 70s. Fortunately, there's been room for growth in the airplane, and a few Alaskan based F-15C Eagles have been refitted with the new APG-78 AESA radar(I believe it's the same radar used in the Navy's F/A-18E and F Hornets) as well as the new AIM-9X Sidewinder that's coupled with the pilot's helmet mounted sight. However, you can only "supe up" an airplane so far until you need something new, only as the result of another country fielding something that is superior to yours in one form or another, or entirely. Yes, the Sukhoi Flanker family, the JAS-39 Gripen, the Rafale, and EFA Typhoon are impressive machines, and they may be equal or are superior to our current USAF's F-15 force, our pilots still have the edge in training and being able to adapt to the current threats in the skies. Having the F/A-22 in our arsenal will do more than even up the level on the playing field. When you mix pilot experience with the Raptor, as well as knowing your enemy's strengths/weaknesses and how to exploit those weaknesses to your advantage, you're going to have one hell of an advantage over the battlefield.


52 posted on 07/08/2004 2:39:24 PM PDT by fulcrum_SMT29 (Something To Consider)
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Major FR Announcement

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73 posted on 07/08/2004 5:24:22 PM PDT by Bob J (freerepublic.net/ radiofreerepublic.com/rightalk.com...check them out!)
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F/A-22 Raptor
Air Superiority Stealth Fighter

My favorite plane if it doesn't see action Congress will hear from me and believe me I will be loud! As much as I would like to trust the F-15 or a drone fighter but we can't drone don't have the skill and instincts to even stand a chance to a superior fighter and the F-15 is not in the least able to cope with the disadvantage. I'm only stating what I've heard if I'm wrong please correct me I haven't been able to verify any of these as facts because I can't find any data comparisons.
79 posted on 07/08/2004 5:43:45 PM PDT by M1-A2 (Moore is less)
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The F-22 is a great plane (obviously) As would the YF-23 -

However, part of me thinks the technology there might just be to expensive at this time (5 years from now...lets build them for sure)

It seems that perhaps the smarter plan could have been to upgrade the F-14's ...in to the F-14D+ ...and do the same with the F-15's (make an E/F version) - Obviously the new F-14D+ and F-15E/F would be cost more then the current versions.....but we could have built them in much more numbers -

These two aircraft updated.....along with our better skilled pilots......would clearly have the advantage over the SU-27's and SU-35 out there - I have no doubt about this - Upgraded F-14's and F-15's...(with American pilots)......would eat any SU-27 / SU-35 for lunch).

This perhaps would have been the better short term solution....with the F-22 coming around at a cheaper rate in 2009/2010 time frame.

90 posted on 07/08/2004 6:07:38 PM PDT by POA2
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and, like the SR-71 Blackbird, it can fly faster than the speed of sound without using fuel-guzzling afterburners

Well, that's not quite true. The SR-71 was designed to run on continuous afterburner... which isn't quite the same as running supersonic on no afterburner.

What makes the SR-71 modestly efficient is the transition, at high speeds, from a turbojet configuration to a near-ramjet configuration (i.e., turbine bypass). The actual airflow patterns about the inlet spike and out the exhaust nozzle provide (via pressure differentials) the vast majority of the thrust. The actual momentum transfer to the working fluid from the engine itself reduces to a fraction well below 50%. The J-58 engine is an amazing piece of hardware.

103 posted on 07/08/2004 6:49:31 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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The international arms market is now flooded with Su-27 aircraft, because the Russians will sell to anybody with a bit of loose change jingling around.

Am I too late to start a Freeper Su-27 purchase pool?

Who's running it?

233 posted on 07/09/2004 6:34:26 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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