The rings one hears in making a call can originate locally. They may not represent the rings heard on the other end.

My question: did you interview any of these Subway clerks, what do you think of their stories, and has the FBI ever affirmed the video’s existence, perhaps by releasing it to the defense lawyers?

I did not know about the Subway clerks and I scoured that town for days.

I DO KNOW about videotape but did not include that topic in my book.

I have compiled a comprehensive dossier of court records and evidence which lays a firm foundation for the belief that the public has yet to see all the surveillance tapes in the government files which relate to the Oklahoma bombing.

In 2001, federal authorities reluctantly conceded in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by an Oklahoma journalist that the Department of Justice maintains custody of twenty-two surveillance videotapes.

They were recorded between April 15 and April 19, 1995.

The FBI confiscated those twenty-two tapes from security cameras near the doomed Murrah Building.

So who and what do those tapes show?

The Justice Department steadfastly maintains that only one surveillance videotape recorded by a camera positioned in the lobby of the nearby Regency Tower Apartment complex that captured the events of April 19.

The blurry, black and white photographic image of a large Ryder truck heading east on 5th Street on its deadly trek to the federal complex was unveiled during Timothy McVeigh’s federal trial.

Is the Regency Tower’s videotape the only recording which memorialized the morning of the bombing?

The judge who presided over the FOIA case in Oklahoma federal court says no.

After reviewing a confidential index of the surveillance videotapes in federal custody, U.S. District Judge Wayne Alley ruled on July 10, 2001 “the FBI’s list of responsive material from its Oklahoma City Field Office includes numerous other tapes dated April 19, 1995, from several sources.”

In short, Judge Alley plainly stated in the court record that the FBI has in its custody numerous tapes which were recorded on the day of the bombing – tapes the public has never seen.

The judge stopped short of stating what those tapes show. However, I have uncovered a trail of evidentiary clues which raises many unanswered questions.

Journal Record Building surveillance tape

Where is the videotape of the vehicle which resembled McVeigh’s Mercury Marquis parked directly north of the Murrah Building in the Journal Record parking lot moments before 9:02 am?

On April 27, 1995, Oklahoma City FBI agent Jon Hersley testified in open court to viewing photographs originating from a security camera positioned on the Journal Record Building.

What happened to that tape? Agent Hersley said under oath that the surveillance photographs showed McVeigh’s Mercury Marquis.

I have an FBI 302 which establishes that tape was taken into custody within hours of the blast, but my research indicates the defense teams never received a copy. Why?

The Journal Record building security camera was trained on the alleyway through which McVeigh reportedly fled in his Mercury Marquis shortly before the explosion.

Regency Towers Surveillance Tape

Why did the FBI not disclose the images viewed by a second lobby camera positioned in the entryway of Regency Tower complex?

According to ADT Security officials who installed the system and Regency employees who monitored the security cameras, the master recording from the building’s fourteen cameras would have captured images from an additional ground floor camera.

That camera was aimed in an eastward direction toward the intersection of 5th and Harvey Streets, where the Murrah Building once stood.

But where is the tape of what that camera memorialized the morning of April 19?

Curiously, government prosecutors limited its disclosure of photographs in court to the lobby camera pointed westward, away from the federal building. All we saw was a blurry image of a Ryder truck.

FBI documents establish that the Regency Tower security cameras were simultaneously recorded by a Vicon VCR 401 time lapse 4-head double density video recorder, Robot MV 16 multi-vision plus processor. So what does that technical gobblygook mean? Plenty.

The Regency Tower security recording system simultaneously memorialized the events captured by both lobby cameras, not just one.

But for some unknown reason, the image of the passing Ryder truck originating from only one camera was presented in the Denver courtroom.

So what did the second lobby camera show ----- the one that was pointed toward the Murrah Building?

We don’t know. But we can safely conclude the image was recorded on the Regency Tower recorder.

Murrah Building Videotape

There is one more tape which could have potentially captured Timothy McVeigh and John Doe 2 as they parked the explosives-laden Ryder truck.

This camera was positioned on the northeast side of the Murrah Building and had tape been rolling – it would have provided an instant replay of the crime and all those involved.

In the fall of 2000, I scoured through thousands of photographs taken by journalists, bystanders, first responders, and the bombing memorial archives searching for the earliest images of the bombed out building.

I found one photograph which clearly showed the camera stationed above the first floor of the Murrah Building on the northeast side. The lens was trained directly on the area where the bomb truck had been parked.

An Oklahoma City police officer who commanded the search and rescue canine unit stated in a sworn affidavit that he witnessed the FBI removing the surveillance cameras from the exterior of the Murrah Building.

Those cameras were stripped by one o’clock in the afternoon on April 19, just four hours after the blast.

So here’s the $64,000 question: Was there tape rolling on the day of the bombing and did the tape survive the blast?

I can provide only a partial answer. I know for a fact that the recording device for the Murrah Building video surveillance system was located in the basement of the federal courthouse.

The courthouse was located south of the Murrah Building and was shielded from the tremendous impact of the explosion.

So if there was videotape in the recorder, it would have remained intact.

I spoke to employees of the General Services Administration who led me to believe that federal budget cutbacks made the cost of videotapes prohibitive, so there was no tape in the deck the morning of April 19.

However, that excuse is flimsy at best. Prior to the bombing, the federal government invested in a new video security system for the Murrah building and had installed an extra camera on the ground floor GSA office due to a “known security risk to employees.”

So why could Uncle Sam not afford the nominal expenditure for a video library of tapes which would document events in and around the federal complex on a 24-hour cycle?

I never received a satisfactory answer to that question.

Surveillance Tapes Permanently Sealed

In late 2001, U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch, who presided over the bombing trials, ruled in favor of the DOJ’s request to seal all twenty-two tapes recovered from businesses surrounding the Murrah Building.

To this day, the content of those recordings remains unknown.

The judge in the FOIA lawsuit implored Judge Matsch to lift the “shroud of secrecy” and release the tapes. But I guess now, that will never happen. But what about the FREEPER FACTOR???

To: truthaboveall; doug from upland Jayna, Greetings and welcome from BobV/TXnMA (AKA "Ol' Grand-dad in the hammock"!!) {BIG GRIN}

Great Job!

(See my #67 to see how I feel about you and your work...)

QUESTION: Did Spector's "enthusiastic interest and support" turn out to be another "black hole" -- as I expected?

To your knowledge has Ramzi Yousef ever been questioned regarding the OKC bombing?

I do not know. However, if he were questioned I am fairly confident (speculation on my part) that portion of the FBI 302 could easily have been excised from the record. In Chapter 16 of my book I detail how the FBI danced around the Murad statement in which he claimed responsibility for the April 19 bombing but the Bureau conducted no follow-up interrogation. Who believes that????

True Capitalist -- I really like your commentary. You get it!

What have you found regarding a Terry Nichols connection to terrrorists in southern Asia? Does your book include copies of documents etc. to bolster your case of a ME connection to OKC?

The second answer: affidavit of Abu Sayyaf terrorist Edwin Angeles and his Philippine interrogation and debriefing reports, FBI 302s (i.e. Abdul Hakim Murad), government telephone records tracking calls to and from the OKC bomber's residences and the calls placed on the "Daryl Bridges" debit card, as well as classified, ex-parte briefings filed in the McVeigh case.

The first answer: A probing look into the background and travels of convicted bomber Terry Nichols further substantiates that disturbing notion of foreign sponsorship of the 1995 strike on America’s heartland.

I have obtained sealed filings by McVeigh’s defense team that outline reasons why they believed Terry Nichols received bombing making expertise through Al-Qaeda ntelligence based in the Philippines.

Nichols’, a small-time Kansas farmer of modest means, took expensive and unexplained trips to the Philippines, frequently without his Filipino mail order bride.

The court record reveals the Oklahoma City bomber, Terry Nichols was in Cebu City in December 1994 at the same time as the convicted mastermind of the first World Trade Center attack Ramzi Yousef – who was also a chief explosives expert and bombmaker for bin Laden’s network – Al Qaeda.

In 1996, I began my quest to answer one question - did Ramzi Yousef and Terry Nichols cross paths?

According to the sworn statement of the co-founder of the Filipino Muslim terrorist group Abu Sayyaf, which is a spin-off organization of Al Qaeda, that meeting did, in deed, take place in the early 1990’s on the island of Mindanao.

The Abu Sayyaf terrorist said he was present when Terry Nichols, Ramzi Yousef, and two of Middle Eastern co-conspirators met to discuss the acquisition of firearms and bomb making.

Richard Clarke, President Clinton’s former chief terrorist advisor, disclosed in his new book that the FBI “could never disprove” the theory that the Oklahoma City bomber Terry Nichols and the Al Qaeda general Ramzi Yousef collaborated.

Clarke stated – “We do know that Nichols’ bombs did not work before his Philippine stay and were deadly when he returned.”

Phone records reveal that Nichols received and made a plethora of calls to a boarding house in Cebu City, which according to McVeigh’s defense lawyers, sheltered students from a university well known for Islamic militancy.

In an attempt to cover their tracks, Nichols and McVeigh used a phone debit card to make a series of cryptic calls to untraceable numbers and pay phones in the Philippines from public pay phones in Kansas.

Why were the majority of calls placed on the phone debit card that was used to the plan the bombing pouring into the Philippines? That question has never been answered by the DOJ.

Abdul Hakim Murad claims credit for Oklahoma bombing

On April 19, 1995, Abdul Hakim Murad, a Middle Eastern terrorist who was later convicted with Ramzi Yousef in a foiled plot to blow up twelve U.S. airliners in Manila, boasted of involvement in the heartland attack.

Murad told a prison guard at a New York City detention center where he was confined that as a member of the Philippine Liberation Army, he was responsible for the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building.

In addition to his verbal confession, Murad put this startling admission in writing.

Official interrogation reports detailing Murad’s 1995 statements to U.S. and Filipino authorities revealed the Islamic terrorist disclosed visionary details of the 1994 plot to hijack commercial airlines and convert them into flying missiles.

One of the alleged targets, according to Murad, was CIA headquarters.

In summation, Abdul Hakim Murad proved he was familiar with intimate details of the failed 1995 plot to destroy U.S. airliners, the 1993 attack on World Trade Center, and a future scheme to convert commercial jets into bombs – the paradigm for 9-11.

But FBI investigators discounted the confessed terrorist’s emphatic claim on April 19 that a radical Islamic group based in the Philippines was behind the Murrah building attack.

This is the same individual, whom according to the leader of Abu Sayyaf, was present when Terry Nichols and Ramzi Yousef met to discuss bomb making.

Detailed description of telephone trail of evidence

In an attempt to cover their tracks, Nichols and McVeigh obtained a phone debit card issued under the alias to purchase bomb components.

They also used the card to make a series of cryptic calls to untraceable numbers in the Philippines from public pay phones in Junction City, Kansas.

Defense filings documented two hundred calls to the Philippines, seventy-eight of which were placed to a Cebu City boarding house that sheltered students from a local university well known for Islamic militancy.

Nichols’ Filipino bride, Marife, resided there for a brief period while taking some college courses in physical therapy.

However, Nichols continued to phone that location after Marife returned to their Kansas home.

From April 2 to April 10, an unidentified party placed thirteen calls to Nichols’ Herington, Kansas home from an untraceable number in the Philippines.

On April 21, two hours before Nichols surrendered to the FBI, he phoned this same Cebu boarding house which was a lodge for Muslim students.

Throughout the bomb plot, Nichols made a maniac barrage of phone calls to the Philippines from public pay phones.

Was this consecutive pattern of rings indicative of a code or covert form of communication?

If so, such a clandestine method of sending messages would circumvent government monitoring of overseas phone conversations.

More importantly, they incorrectly assumed the use of public payphones and a debit card would render the evidence trail of calls invisible.

Stephen Jones made discovery demands for classified information which included possible National Security Agency intercepts of Nichols’ international conversations to the South Pacific. The court refused his requests.

I guess if I have a question its about the apparent ongoing connections to Oklahoma that Zachariahs Moussoui had to OKC.

I detail that connection in Chapter 21 of my book. Here's the cliff notes. Moussaoui trained at Airman Flight School in Norman, Oklahoma. He also visited the Oklahoma City motel where McVeigh and Nichols collaborated with the Middle Eastern cell in August 2001 (Chapter 12). The overlaps are intriguing.

Thanks Peach!!!!!!

QUESTION: Jayna, what can the FReepers do to help advance the story? Who are the friendly ears in the Justice Department or Congress?

I believe the most effective response from the legendary Freepers is to get organized and formulate a two-prong strategy. First, call your local radio shows and get me booked as a guest to spread the message. Secondly, choose favorable Congressmen and Senators who have the moral fortitude to follow through. Specter and Burton are out of the mix. (Chapters 11 and 20 for details.) Next, phone and e-mail the DOJ and Ashcroft's office demanding that the Middle Eastern suspects identified in The Third Terrorist be detained and interrogated. If the DOJ is going to release the man nailed by a plethora of witnesses as JD2, then the Bureau must be prepared to give him a government-issued alibi --- because he doesn't have one. I say that his whereabouts for the critical hours of April 19 cannot be established and the evidence I have compiled proves that fact beyond a reasonable doubt! ( see chapters 10 and 15)

More importantly, this man should be questioned because he might have peripheral knowledge of the next strike that Al-Qaeda is prepared to launch. He obviously knew something about the events of 9-11 as far back as 1997 when he was working at the Boston Logan International Aiport (Chapter 21 of my book). He might be in the loop regarding the next operation set to occur prior to the fall elections.

Remember, American intelligence authorities have to be accurate 100% of the time, but the terrorist only have to be success 1% of the time. We NEED ALL THE INFO WE CAN GET. THIS MAN SHOULD BE INTERROGATED!

QUESTION: Jayna, why is the current Justice Department not following up on your information?

Let's examine the history of the Justice Department toward my investigation first.

FBI RESPONSE

On the federal level, the Department of Justice flatly rebuffed my attempts to surrender the evidence. My encounters with the FBI began in the spring and summer of 1995.

KFOR management and I initially discussed our findings with federal agents as we discovered new evidence of Middle Eastern participation. But their zest for our information evaporated when the third terrorist, John Doe 2, inexplicably vanished from the Bureau’s radar screen.

In the fall of 1997, upon the advice of my lawyer, I set an appointment with an FBI agent to surrender all twenty-two witness statements and hundreds of pages of supporting information which implicated Middle Eastern suspects in the bombing plot.

When I arrived at the Oklahoma City field office, accompanied by a notary public, I requested the FBI sign a receipt acknowledging the Bureau took possession of the evidence. That is when the FBI blatantly refused to take receipt of the investigative file.

When I demanded an explanation for such absurdity, one of the lead prosecutors for Terry Nichols’ federal trial told my attorney that the DOJ did not want any more “documents for discovery” to turn over to the defense teams.

When my attorney Tim McCoy requested a written statement confirming their conversation, the prosecutor refused to give him his personal fax number unless he promised to delete all references to the “Oklahoma City bombing” and my attempts to turn over “witness statements.”

The resulting statement was simply ludicrous.

It read, “The Department of Justice has not made any investigative demands for any knowledge Jayna Davis may or may not have.”

I was dumbfounded. The federal government’s capital investment in resources and manpower to track down the killers was historically unparalleled.

But the FBI slammed the door on a reporter from the mainstream media who attempted to share credible evidence which needed to be seriously examined.

In 1999, I returned to FBI headquarters in Oklahoma City.

Dan Vogel, a courageous FBI agent, agreed to take custody of the twenty-two witness affidavits.

Despite Agent Vogel’s obvious concern that the Bureau speak to the witnesses, there was no legitimate attempt to prove or disprove the evidence.

The FBI did not contact any of the witnesses and failed to interview Hussain Alhussaini.

Terry Nichols Preliminary hearings

Two years later, in October 2001, Agent Vogel was subpoenaed to testify in Terry Nichols’ preliminary hearing in the Oklahoma state bombing trial.

Nichols’ lawyers told the judge that Agent Vogel confirmed he received twenty-two affidavits from reporter Jayna Davis, but after he turned them over to the FBI legal department in Oklahoma City, the sworn statements disappeared.

Government prosecutors barred the agent from taking the stand so he was denied the opportunity to personally deliver his testimony.

In March of 2001, Terry Nichols’ defense lawyers subpoenaed me to testify in a pretrial hearing regarding the actions of the FBI in response to this investigation.

By virtue of being called as a witness, I was able to confirm the FBI statements of several of my witnesses were never recorded, contained inaccurate or patently false information, or were withheld from the defense teams. Three of my attorneys, my husband notary Pam Nance, and one of my witnesses, Rachel Sealy, took the stand to corroborate my testimony.

Missing Evidence

In the summer of 2001, the FBI discovered it had inadvertently withheld 4400 discovery documents from the defense teams.

The bureaucratic snafu postponed the execution of Timothy McVeigh

The Office of Inspector General investigated and

When the evidence was finally remitted to the defendant’s lawyers – the affidavits that I remitted to Agent Dan Vogel in 1999 were still missing.

That said, here's my educated guess as to why the current DOJ is not looking into the evidence outlined in The Third Terrorist: The Clinton DOJ blantantly refused to investigate evidence which would have mitigated the roles of both McVeigh and Nichols - that refusal might have constituted a felonious act of obstructing justice. To revisit such an issue now would mean a criminal investigation and that is a political hot potato no one wants to handle, or so I've been told by sources inside the Beltway.

QUESTION: Jayna, why did Tim McVeigh not rat out his Iraqi pals?

In the brilliant words of Fox News Talk Host John Gibson, "Tim McVeigh would rather go down as a martyr in the big anti-government movement then to die as a collaborater with enemy soldier. That's treason and that would have deeply embarrassed Tim McVeigh."

Given your reporting regarding Hussaini (John Doe 2) why didn't he just flee the U.S.? Why did he insist on continuing his liable suit against you, which drew even more attention to himself? Wouldn’t other foreign terrorists involved in OKC recognize he was risking exposing the plot and pressure him to leave the country? It’s amazing John Doe 2 didn’t become a “disposable asset” and experience a 357 memory-wipe.

QUESTION: who is the highest ranking elected official prepared to help advance this story? Does anyone at the White House have an interest in the story?

I honestly have no idea.

QUESTION: Jayna, what can you tell us about the steel in the building? ANFO burns about 17,000 feet per second, it takes and wave front of at least 20,000fps to cut steel, so... how do they explain the descrepency? Also how big was the crater where the truck was parked? Thankx Chode

I am not an demolitions or explosives expert. But this is what I found regarding the composition and construction of the bomb that is documented in the court record.

I have confirmed through briegs filed in the trial of Timothy McVeigh and three independent intelligence sources that two Israeli bomb experts surveyed the damage to the Murrah Building two weeks after the blast.

One of those experts served the chief of security for the Israeli embassy in Washington D.C. and the second official was a civil engineer and consultant to the Israeli government.

Their authority and knowledge in the arena of explosives analysis is undisputed.

The two Israeli explosives experts ultimately concluded in a three page report that the bomb that destroyed the Oklahoma City federal building bore an indisputable Middle Eastern signature and that the it was constructed by Arab terrorists or people trained by Arab terrorists.

McVeigh’s attorney, Stephen Jones, attempted to obtain a copy of the final three-page report but became exasperated with the court when the DOJ only released one page of raw notes generated by the Israeli experts, which was absent the smoking gun conclusion of a Middle Eastern earmarks.

Thanks for the compliment and confidence in my research TxnMA. Much appreciated. My husband and I are UT at Austin grads! Hook 'em horns.

QUESTION: Did Spector's "enthusiastic interest and support" turn out to be another "black hole" -- as I expected?

Hi grandpa! I know you, sir. How are you and the kiddos? It's in the black hole, but Specter was cornered on WPHT radio in Philadelphia by a listener about my investigation on the eve of the April 2004 primary. He did a complete flipflop and stated the probe into my work was still "ongoing."

Please interpret....