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Shrimp tariffs long overdue
Texas City Sun ^ | Published July 07, 2004 | By TJ Aulds

Posted on 07/07/2004 2:57:40 AM PDT by BellStar

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To: doosee

Have you seen or heard the advertisements about buying local seafood? Not the greatest but they get the point across.

Shrimp isn't cheap unless you go out and catch it yourself.


41 posted on 07/07/2004 1:02:11 PM PDT by dixie sass ( Claws are sharp and ready for use!)
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To: doosee
This is an action that impacts locally, at least on the coast. For or against? It would be interesting to know where DeMint stands on this one too.

Great.

I guess this means there will be an inordinate amount of newbies clogging up the recreational waters this next shrimping season.

I hope they can't throw a cast net.

42 posted on 07/07/2004 1:03:46 PM PDT by Palmetto
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To: BellStar

http://www.mises.org/fullstory.asp?control=1551

The Fallacies of Shrimp Protectionism

By Don Mathews

[June 27, 2004]

The U.S. shrimping industry must be thriving. Or so one would think. Only a generation ago, shrimp were all but considered a delicacy and came at a steep price, but today, fresh and frozen shrimp are readily available at grocery stores, never mind restaurants, and Americans are taking full advantage of the abundance. In 2003, Americans consumed 1.1 billion pounds of shrimp, up from 685 million pounds in 1994 and 287 million pounds in 1970.

But the U.S. shrimping industry is not thriving, it's sinking fast. The bulk of the domestic shrimp catch is harvested by trawlers in the Gulf of Mexico. According to the Southeastern Fisheries Association in Tallahassee, Florida, nearly 5,000 shrimpers trawled the Gulf a decade ago. Today, less than 1,900 do.

Why is the U.S. shrimping industry in decline when U.S. shrimp consumption is on the rise? The reason, contend domestic shrimpers, is that foreign shrimp farms are dumping shrimp on the U.S. market.

U.S. shrimpers point to the surge in imports and the sharp decrease in import prices as evidence. From 2001 to 2003, shrimp imports increased by 26 percent and now account for 90 percent of U.S. shrimp consumption. Meanwhile, the average price of imported shrimp products dropped from $4.94 per pound in 2000 to $3.38 per pound in 2003. The plunging prices are driving U.S. shrimpers out of the market.

Domestic shrimpers have turned to the federal government and its antidumping law for relief. On December 31, 2003, the Southern Shrimp Alliance—a lobbying organization formed by shrimpers in eight southern states—filed an anti-dumping petition with the U.S. Department of Commerce against shrimp farms in Brazil, China, Ecuador, India, Thailand and Vietnam. If the Department of Commerce rules in favor of the shrimpers, the federal government will impose tariffs ranging from 26 to 349 percent on imports of shrimp from those six countries.

What sort of law is the antidumping law? Is it a legitimate means of defending domestic firms from unfair pricing practices by foreign firms? Or is it just another form of protectionism that hurts the economy as a whole while shielding inefficient domestic firms from market competition with more efficient foreign firms?

From an examination of both the theory behind the antidumping law and the way dumping claims are evaluated, the answer is clear: the antidumping law is pure protectionism. The shrimp case provides a perfect illustration.

The theory behind the antidumping law

Economists generally define dumping as a deliberate market strategy in which foreign firms set prices in an export market either below the cost of production or below the prices they charge in their own domestic markets. The strategy is a form of what is called predatory pricing. The U.S. antidumping law authorizes the federal government to impose tariffs on imports from specified countries if the government determines that the imports are being dumped on the U.S. market.

Proponents of the antidumping law claim that, unless checked, foreign firms will readily engage in dumping to secure profits.

A dumping strategy would work this way. Foreign firms would dump their products on the U.S. market to drive their U.S. competitors out of business. Once that was accomplished, the foreign firms would raise their prices to recoup whatever losses they had incurred while dumping and, with U.S. competitors out of the way, reap even larger profits in the future. Thus, the argument goes, dumping is an unfair pricing practice that hurts U.S. businesses, costs U.S. jobs and, ultimately, harms U.S. consumers.

The argument, however, is full of flaws.

Dumping implies an impossible degree of collusion between foreign firms. It implies that a number of foreign firms—in most cases a large number—will be able to precisely coordinate when and how much to cut their prices to drive U.S. firms from the market, as well as when and how much to raise their prices once the U.S. firms have been driven from the market.

The obstacles to such collusion are enormous. How many foreign firms will pursue the dumping strategy? How do the firms communicate? How likely is it that the colluding firms will agree on when and how much to cut their prices and then, later, when and how much to raise their prices?

The shrimp case illustrates the enormity of these obstacles. In Brazil, China, Ecuador, India, Thailand and Vietnam, there are tens of thousands of shrimp farms. To claim that these shrimp producers are dumping shrimp is to claim that tens of thousands of shrimp farmers, in six different countries on two distant continents, are successfully executing an organized and coordinated predatory pricing strategy. It is to claim that these tens of thousands of shrimp farmers, many of whom do not even speak the same language, are engaged in a deliberate, organized and coordinated effort to drive U.S. shrimpers out of business by radically slashing prices. It is also to claim that, once they drive U.S. shrimpers out of business, these tens of thousands of deliberately predatory shrimp farmers will, in an organized and coordinated fashion, boost their prices to recoup losses and grab big profits.

This is a whopper of a conspiracy theory. It is an unbelievable conspiracy theory.

Even if dumping could be organized and coordinated, it would surely be a doomed strategy. Foreign firms that "dumped" their products for as long as it took to drive their U.S. competitors out of business would suffer huge losses, losses that would grow even larger as the firms' market shares grew. Moreover, the dumping firms would not be able to raise their prices high enough to recoup their losses. Any substantial price increase and U.S. buyers would quickly turn to other exporters for shrimp.

The shrimp case illustrates this point, as well. The six countries accused of dumping account for 75 percent of all U.S. shrimp imports. Forty-four other countries account for the remaining 25 percent. The shrimp producers in these forty-four other countries would be thrilled if the alleged dumpers raised their prices. It would be an exceptionally easy way to increase business.

Thus, the theory behind the U.S. antidumping law is highly flawed. So, too, is the way dumping claims are evaluated.

How dumping claims are evaluated

The federal agency responsible for evaluating dumping claims is the International Trade Administration (ITA), a division of the U.S. Department of Commerce. To determine if foreign firms are guilty of dumping, the ITA applies one of two standards to its definition of dumping. Its standards, as well as its definition of dumping, are problematic.

The ITA defines dumping this way: "Dumping occurs when imported merchandise is sold in, or for export to, the United States at less than the normal value of the merchandise." This definition is both arbitrary and obscure. What is the "normal value" of a good? Its price last week? Last month? Last year? Its price in Tokyo? In Rome? In Moscow?

As for the standards, the one most often used by the ITA is to compare the prices that foreign firms charge in their own domestic market with the prices they charge in the U.S. If the ITA determines that the prices charged in the domestic market are higher than the prices charged in the U.S., it will impose a tariff on future imports from those foreign firms.

A glaring problem with this standard is that business firms charge different prices in different markets as a matter of course. It is a perfectly common business practice. Unless goods move freely between markets, prices will vary from place to place according to local market conditions. Firms pay close attention to those conditions and price their products accordingly. Failure to do so would cost profits.

Further, local market conditions change. Sometimes the changes warrant price cuts. That would seem unremarkable, except that, under this particular ITA standard, a foreign firm that cuts its U.S. prices in response to a change in U.S. market conditions can be accused of dumping.

Yet another problem with the standard is that foreign firms often do not sell the same product in their domestic market that they export to the U.S. The shrimp case is a perfect example. Shrimp producers in Thailand and Vietnam, for instance, export frozen shrimp to the U.S. But they don't sell any frozen shrimp in their home countries. There is no market for frozen shrimp in their home countries. Which means there is no price of frozen shrimp in those two countries.

In such cases, the ITA estimates what the price would be if the good actually was available in the firms' home market, and uses its estimated price to determine if the foreign firms are dumping. The problems here are huge. It is simply impossible to know what the price of a good would be if it was actually available on the market. Thus, any estimated price used by the ITA is a purely arbitrary concoction. Even more fundamental, how can foreign firms be ruled guilty of charging lower prices in the U.S. than they do in their home countries if they don't even sell the good in their home countries?

An alternative standard sometimes used by the ITA is to evaluate the profit margins that foreign firms clear on goods sold in the U.S. By this standard, small profit margins or losses constitute evidence of dumping.

This leads to an absurd conclusion, again clearly illustrated by the shrimp case. By most accounts, foreign shrimp farms are earning reasonably healthy profits. U.S. trawlers, however, are either barely breaking even or are taking losses. That would mean, by the ITA's profit margin standard, that the firms guilty of dumping are not foreign shrimp farms but U.S. trawlers!

The real issue

The U.S. antidumping law is one confused and convoluted law. The theory behind the law and the standards used to evaluate dumping claims made by U.S. producers are riddled with flaws. This, plus the ITA's history of ruling in favor of most every dumping claim that comes its way, make it difficult to conclude that the U.S. antidumping law is anything other than pure protectionism.

In the shrimp dumping case, the conclusion is inescapable. Modern shrimp farming was developed in the early 1970s and proliferated rapidly. In 1975, shrimp farms accounted for about 2.5 percent of world shrimp production. By 1985, they accounted for 10 percent of world shrimp production. By 2001, shrimp farms were operating in over 50 countries and accounted for 40 percent of world production.

Shrimp farming has proliferated for one simple reason: efficiency. Trawling for shrimp is costly, and the harvest often varies considerably from year to year with changes in weather and ecological conditions. Shrimp farms not only produce shrimp at much less cost, they produce a steady and reliable volume. Seafood processors value the reliable volume: these companies buy harvested shrimp and produce finished products for consumers whose desire for shrimp does not fluctuate with weather and ecological conditions.

As shrimp farming has expanded, world shrimp production has increased and shrimp prices have fallen. Shrimp prices are now so low that they threaten the market survival of U.S. shrimp trawlers. So the trawlers have turned to the U.S. government and its antidumping law to protect themselves, not from dumping, but from market competition with their more efficient foreign competitors.

The ITA is currently investigating the shrimpers' dumping petition against shrimp farmers in Brazil, China, Ecuador, India, Thailand and Vietnam. The agency is scheduled to give its preliminary determination on the petition regarding China and Vietnam on July 2. It is scheduled to give its preliminary determination on Brazil, Ecuador, India and Thailand on July 28.



43 posted on 07/07/2004 1:06:14 PM PDT by society-by-contract
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To: dixie sass
Shrimp isn't cheap unless you go out and catch it yourself.

LOL.....It's not cheap then, either. Recreational shrimping ain't like fishing.

Throwing a 10' cast net all day to fill a 64-quart cooler is really hard work.

44 posted on 07/07/2004 1:07:13 PM PDT by Palmetto
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To: Palmetto

I guess this means there will be an inordinate amount of newbies clogging up the recreational waters this next shrimping season.

Since any shrimpers first have to get their hands on a boat, then buy licenses, then buy all the proper equipment, I think the number of new shrimpers will not rise. High cost of entry,,,, then again, at McClellandville, on opening day, you can nearly walk across the boats that are shrimping.


45 posted on 07/07/2004 3:21:55 PM PDT by doosee (Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.)
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To: society-by-contract
So the trawlers have turned to the U.S. government and its antidumping law to protect themselves, not from dumping, but from market competition with their more efficient foreign competitors

I read your whole post and you make many good points. The real question Americans have to answer is this-- Do I mind paying some higher prices so American families can keep making a living doing what they do or do I want to put them out of business so Vietnamese making 10 cents an hour and living in a grass hut with no plumbing can build up their US trade business. I have heard ALL of the arguments about this is just too bad that these people in the USA chose shrimping as their occupation. When does this stop? After everyone here is unemployed and has all the time in the world to shop happily at Wal-mart. I say protect our industries and keep these people as contributors to society, not unemployment receivers. I will say in advance I have never convinced a pure free trader to change their mind yet. They only change their minds after THEY have lost their livelihoods.

46 posted on 07/07/2004 3:31:09 PM PDT by doosee (Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.)
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To: doosee

No new licenses are being issued to Bay boats here.


47 posted on 07/08/2004 7:07:50 AM PDT by BellStar (I will not amend my beliefs according to someone else’s politically correct straight jacket.)
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To: BellStar
How do you tax shrimp? They don't even make any money!

Commie gubmint!

48 posted on 07/08/2004 7:51:45 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: FrankWild

While we agree on support for this policy, our reasons are fundamentally different. The duty of the American government is not to protect uncompetitive jobs. We didn't protect buggywhip manufacturers either. And east asia, by and large, is not dumping. China is and deserves tariffs. I've not seen evidence Vietnam is, but I won't say they are not. Countries like Thailand are definitely not.

What you have to understand is that dumping is defined as selling below THEIR cost, not what it would cost Americans to do it. If Americans cannot compete in shrimping, there are thousands of other occupations. But make no mistake, the shrimp business is changing with the advent of aquaculture.

Costs are coming down and supplies are way up. Humans domesticated land animals thousands of years ago, it was the start of civilization. For the first time in millenia, we are domesticating substantial new species. You can't make a living hunting wild Aurochs (the species domesticated into the modern cow) and soon you won't be able to compete chasing wild shrimp. Farming is more efficient than hunter-gathering. That news is several thousand years old.


49 posted on 07/08/2004 8:17:57 AM PDT by blanknoone (The WOT can only be won abroad, and can only be lost at home.)
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To: FrankWild

What a social conservative really ought to object to is all the socialistic welfare around jobs. It ain't governments role to train shrimpers, or anyone else, for their old or new careers. And as for costs, basic economics will show that tariffs and subsidies cost far more than their economic benefit. America is best off with its human capital in its most competitive industries, not subsidizing stagnation in dying ones.

And if the backbone of our communities is a dying industry, I suggest the backbone find a new industry or the community find a new backbone. And if you are really dedicated to shrimping...become a shrimp farmer.


51 posted on 07/08/2004 11:00:28 AM PDT by blanknoone (The WOT can only be won abroad, and can only be lost at home.)
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To: FrankWild

I would suggest that there is a difference between compromising in practice and compromising on principles. You did not make the argument that the tariffs to prop up a failing industry are wrong but a necessary political compromise.


53 posted on 07/08/2004 12:14:13 PM PDT by blanknoone (The WOT can only be won abroad, and can only be lost at home.)
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To: snopercod

Here's related information:

http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2004/07/07anglershurtbysh.html


54 posted on 07/08/2004 1:02:35 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: FrankWild
Second, what little is gained for the consumers in a price decrease will be more than made up by the cost of paying the shrimper his welfare, paying for his retraining, paying for the inevitable decay in his community, paying for the decline in tertiary businesses that dealt with the ex-shrimper, and paying for the social dislocation that might be caused by the decline of the shrimper's fortunes.

If the shrimper wants us to give him welfare, we can just tell him no.

Ditto for retraining.

I reject the "inevitable decay in his community". That choice rests with the community's individuals.

Tertiary businesses will decline, and others will grow with the redirection of dollars. No need for charity to any particular businessmen.

People can pay their own living expenses, as a rule. With living comes change.

56 posted on 07/16/2004 6:03:27 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: FrankWild
Libertarianism yes, "social darwinism" no. I don't object to charity, just coercive redistribution.

As to 5%, the libertarian presidential candidate won't get near to that. Closer to .5%

58 posted on 07/19/2004 2:58:44 PM PDT by secretagent
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