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I hope someone else notices that this is robbing the training component of an extremely valuable asset and putting them out of commission for 2 years.

Clinton broke the army when he cut it to 10 divisions. There's no way that a 10 division army can fight 2 simultaneous wars.

If they are robbing entire training units, and especially at the major training centers of JRTC & NTC, then they are admitting that the army is big time broke.

I say that from years of military experience. Someone feel free to disagree with me.


7 posted on 07/06/2004 6:39:26 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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On the other hand, it could be argued that this is an excellent training opportunity for the Geronimos, and one that previously was unavailable due to the lack of a suitable theater of operations.

Just a thought.

15 posted on 07/06/2004 8:49:11 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Nah...it's alright.

Truth be told if we're deploying these guys odds are we dont need to be sending a bunch of units to JRTC because they're getting real World training in Iraq.

JRTC's schedule is open so why not send [2 out of 4 battalions] them in and see what they're able to accomplish....I am sure critical eyes will be watching to see how it plays out. Plus JRTC will probably be picking up a few new tricks to bring back home.


16 posted on 07/06/2004 8:58:19 AM PDT by VaBthang4 (He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep)
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Padre, I'm going to play, "Stop the Tape!" for a second, here...

I hope someone else notices that this is robbing the training component of an extremely valuable asset and putting them out of commission for 2 years.

Two companies rotating into The Box is a good thing - the Geronimoes will pick up a few real-time things to augment their role-play at JRTC, and with two National Guard companies rotating in to take their place, the guard comes out of it with two school-trainers, that they go back to THEIR training sites and spread the gospel.

Clinton broke the army when he cut it to 10 divisions. There's no way that a 10 division army can fight 2 simultaneous wars.

Oh, there's no arguement with that first part from me! But two "major conflicts" isn't quite the rule anymore; it's more like one major plus two minors. Now with OIF handed over, Big Army has almost rotated all their formations out, and the Guard/Reserve formations have the ball. The Bosnia and MFO missions are also almost all Guard, too. So, some of the pressure is off Big Army, for now.

If they are robbing entire training units, and especially at the major training centers of JRTC & NTC, then they are admitting that the army is big time broke.

Sorry, Sir, but that's not quite in the ten-ring. 11 ACR at Irwin hasn't been touched, and only two companies of 1/509 are in rotation; and they're getting Guardsmen as backfill. And that's only the Big Army schools; the various Reserve training centers are still hopping - like at Fort McCoy, where I'm writing from tonight; a Mobilization base that preps the kids for the trip. Plus we've got the train-ups once boots hit the dirt in theater.

Please belive me, there's no slack in the training of the gangs going out. What you see as a broke battalion, I see as two companies of big Army troops with sharper skills, and two more companies of Guardsmen who will know better how to work the kids over back home. Winners all around!

27 posted on 07/06/2004 5:55:10 PM PDT by Old Sarge (2004: Win One More For The Gipper!)
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Believe me I noticed. We were always told that if they deplopyed this unit things were getting mighty tight for deployable troops.


32 posted on 07/06/2004 8:27:57 PM PDT by armymarinemom (Ultimate Flip Flop->I support the Troops but not their mission)
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