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To: Tailgunner Joe

Which type of Christian Nation, were we to be?

Puritan protestant? They were Still burning witches in the early/mid 1700s; not too long before our revolution had its start.

Is there room in your "christian nation," for catholics and mormons? Or do they not adhere to the "true" christian doctrines, closely enough?

Who decides just what is "closely enough?"

I think the notion you propose for America is that we be just about as purely Christian as say post inquisition Spain.

One state faithe, uber alles. That is precisely what our founders sought to AVOID.


32 posted on 07/05/2004 3:12:45 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
What is the First Admendment?

Origin of the phrase "Separation of Church and State"

40 posted on 07/05/2004 3:27:57 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: truth_seeker

You are the one who want to restrict the free people of America from proclaiming their own religious ideals. I don't demand anyone practice my religion but I demand the right to proclaim it.


45 posted on 07/05/2004 3:33:40 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (You CAN legislate morality.)
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To: truth_seeker
From the following web site:
Our Christian Constitution

OUR CHRISTIAN CONSTITUTION

Limited Authority

Our Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution knowing that rulers are ministers (table-servers!). They believed that they should not only serve those over whom they were to exercise authority, but that the ruler is a servant of God! They wrote the Constitution knowing that rulers are God's ministers serving, not only God, but those over whom they were to exercise authority.

For rulers are...ministers of God to thee for good, Romans 13:3-4

They knew that all authority resides in God for Jesus said, "All power/ authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth," (Matt.28:18). No one has any authority unless it’s given by God. All authority is delegated to men by the highest authority, God. Rulers have their authority from God.

The centurion in Matthew 8:9 stated, Written into the Constitution is the only delegated authority our civil servants in the federal government have. Our Founders wrote "We the people," in the Preamble to the Constitution and designated the powers they would allow those in the offices we (the rulers!) created. Limited powers were given the executive, the legislative, and the judicial branches of our federal government. They are clearly expressed in the Constitution.

This delegated authority may not be re-delegated without the consent, tacit or expressed, of the one who gave it.

Our Founders knew the Scriptures well. That’s where they got their ideas. The example of King Saul in I Samuel 13:8 is a case in point: Samuel had told Saul to wait for him to offer a sacrifice to God. Saul becoming anxious because Samuel "came not at the set time appointed" offered the sacrifice. Samuel had not been given the consent of God to re-delegate his authority; Saul usurped authority not given him, therefore God rejected Saul from being king.

Did our Founding Fathers know the Scriptures? They knew it well. They knew the laws governing the use of authority. There are three:

  1. All authority is delegated from the higher to the lower.
  2. Delegated authority is always less in the ones to whom it is delegated.
  3. Authority cannot be re-delegated to another without the consent, tacit or expressed, of the one who delegated it.

Those who wrote our Constitution knew, as illustrated by the example of Saul and Samuel above, it is sin to usurp (steal) the authority of another. This is one more example of the fact that ours is a Christian form of government and ours is a Christian nation: our Founders found these ideas in the Scriptures and wove them into the Constitution.

A good rule to help understand authority comes from Scripture:

Authority is for the benefit of those over whom it is exercised (Romans 13:4 [So they are called civil servants, Matt. 20:25: minister or servants; not lords I Peter 5:2-4 ); On the other hand, dominion is for the benefit of those who exercise it, (Genesis 1: 29)

48 posted on 07/05/2004 3:34:56 PM PDT by DannyTN
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One state faithe, uber alles. That is precisely what our founders sought to AVOID.

Correctly stated.

This type of junk pops up every now and again, with the proponents twisting fact and history to fit their agenda.

As an example, "Jefferson was Christian". No normal person reading his writings could come away with that conclusion, but you can be sure it will be said here.

135 posted on 07/06/2004 11:35:01 AM PDT by jimt
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