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John Kerry Attempts to Cover Up Pro-Abortion Position in Iowa Interview
LifeNews.com ^ | July 5, 2004 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 07/05/2004 10:38:19 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper

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To: Lady In Blue

OK. But what about these reports I hear that Catholics vote Dem whether their guy is pro-life or not? I just wonder what the real deomographics are.


41 posted on 07/05/2004 2:51:51 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: Motherbear
Because those Catholics are just stupid sheeple or because they aren't really Catholic and pro-life at all? My Catholic friends and family ARE NOT voting for John Kerry. whatever....<

No. Nothing of the kind. If someone called you stupid, it wasn't me.

It's reported that Bush made inroads in the Catholic vote in 2000, but most political pundits characterize this as a Dem voting block. Other than you and your neighbors, do you have a reason to believe this isn't true?

43 posted on 07/05/2004 3:31:31 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: BigSkyFreeper; MeekOneGOP; potlatch; devolve; Happy2BMe; Lady Jag; Kathy in Alaska


44 posted on 07/05/2004 4:06:29 PM PDT by Smartass ( BUSH & CHENEY IN 2004 - Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; farmfriend; All
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45 posted on 07/05/2004 4:13:22 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes ("Smart Growth... ISN'T.")
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To: GVgirl
This is a pretty clever ploy by Kerry.

Too clever by half.

Come on. This is the kind of misstatement that costs elections.

46 posted on 07/05/2004 4:34:07 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Liz
He says life begins at conception but will do nothing to safeguard defenseless lives in utero.

No, you have only got it half right. It is much more preposterous than that. He believes life begins at conception but instead of doing what you said he is doing "nothing to safeguard" he is actively campaigning FOR infanticide. He was one of the few, if I remember correctly, campaigning actively and passionately FOR partial birth abortion.

47 posted on 07/05/2004 4:38:05 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
It is much more preposterous than that. He believes life begins at conception but instead of doing what you said he is doing "nothing to safeguard" he is actively campaigning FOR infanticide. (Kerry) was one of the few.....campaigning actively and passionately FOR partial birth abortion.

Many, many thanks. Yours is the definitive statement on Kerry's calculated "pro-life" position. It's the one we should all be using. Thanks, again.

48 posted on 07/05/2004 4:45:50 PM PDT by Liz
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To: GVgirl

I doubt if pro-lifers will let Kerry get away with that. His votes on partial birth abortion tell every pro-life Catholic what they need to know about what Kerry says is his position on abortion.


49 posted on 07/05/2004 4:53:27 PM PDT by Liz
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To: GVgirl

Don't hold your breath.


50 posted on 07/05/2004 4:57:17 PM PDT by wasp69 ("I drank what?" - Socrates (469-399 BC)
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To: Liz
Right. I mean, I don't agree with it but it would be far more logical for Kerry to say something like this:

I personally believe life begins at conception. However, I respect that many of my constituents disagree with me on this and I do not want to force my beliefs on them. I will therefore only try to enact legislation regarding abortion that I know my constituents support.

However, with this latest little pronouncement Kerry is saying the unbelievable:

I personally believe life begins at conception. However, I do not respect that many of my constituents disagree with me on partial birth abortion and I do want to force what I personally do not believe on them. I will therefore actively campaign passionately to enact legislation regarding abortion that I know my constituents do not support.

51 posted on 07/05/2004 5:05:15 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Come on. This is the kind of misstatement that costs elections.

I don't see it that way. I hope someone catches him on a clear-cut contradiction, but Kerry saying, "I vote for women's right to choose, but I don't morally support abortion" seems to me takes care of the left and the right.

53 posted on 07/05/2004 5:53:09 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: Liz
I doubt if pro-lifers will let Kerry get away with that

If they are single-issue voters, probably not. If they're are already leaning toward Kerry, they can give him the benefit of doubt on the issue. It doesn't change the status quo.

54 posted on 07/05/2004 5:57:23 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: wasp69

I won't since I wouldn't dream of doing anything to help him!


55 posted on 07/05/2004 5:58:26 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Kerry stopped at a Catholic church for worship during his Iowa campaign stop and, afterwards, many parishioners asked Kerry about his pro-abortion views, in particular his vote against partial-birth abortion.

his vote against banning partial-birth abortion.

56 posted on 07/05/2004 7:11:34 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Could he make this a believable statement? What he's saying is that he's personally opposed to murder but can't force those views on others. Any law is an exercise in legislating morality. The question just becomes whose morality gets legislated.
57 posted on 07/05/2004 8:10:36 PM PDT by asmith92008 (If we buy into the nonsense that we always have to vote for RINOs, we'll just end up taking the horn)
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To: Liz

Liberalism is a religion.

It has articles of faith and sacraments. For the past two decades liberals have been tryng to make liberalism the state religion of the US. Under the guise of "separating church and state," they have systematically been removing any reference to (our) God from public view. It is only (our) God that may not be mentioned. Their God (government control of all aspects of our life) is praised continually. We need to tell our friends that the reason we cannot argue with liberals is because it is virtually impossible to rationalize anyone away from the dogmas of their faith.

Since it is their religion, John Kerry, perhaps under the influence of being in an actual church on Sunday, committed a heresy to the religion of Liberalism, when he said Life begins at conception.

We can point out to liberal acquaintances that Kerry is a heretic, who said that he believes the unborn is a "life.". We can also argue that he cannot be trusted to always vote their way, if he is "unclear" on such a primary article of their faith = a fetus is just protoplasm, and the property of the woman carrying it, to be dispensed with as she wishes.


58 posted on 07/06/2004 6:30:45 AM PDT by maica
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To: GVgirl

A lot of Catholics do 'overlook' the abortion stance, because they believe in the Dem principle of "helping the poor and needy."

When regular churchgoers are questioned (gently) about voting for dem politicians, they say they are praying for the person to change their heart re abortion.

These, however, are the same people who feel they would be insulting the poor, if they were asked to help in providing for themselves, or cleaning up after themselves, etc.

Whenever you meet a Catholic who puts the highest priority on Social Justice, you have met a pro-abort Catholic. Some have even convinced themselves that the poor deserve (or need) to have the abortion option.

It is a very condescending attitude, and one held by a lot of today's activist nuns.


59 posted on 07/06/2004 6:39:42 AM PDT by maica
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To: kjenerette; Van Jenerette

...for issue file and reading.


60 posted on 07/06/2004 8:04:11 AM PDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic - If we can Keep it!)
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