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Federal officials open up 1,500 miles of desert to off-roaders
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20040703-1812-ca-deserttortoise.html ^ | July 3, 2004

Posted on 07/05/2004 6:34:20 AM PDT by John Jorsett

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To: HairOfTheDog

Like it or not. Public lands under the present adminiatration have been designated for "multiple recreation use" to include esquestrian and motorized travel whether it be for scenery or physical challenge. Not everyone wants to stop and smell the daisys and you need to get over your idea of your form of outdoor recreation as what is holy and valid.

If you have a local issue with off-roaders breaking the law, then report them. Go to the BLM, the NFS, Sheriff etc.


21 posted on 07/05/2004 9:38:00 AM PDT by off-roader
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To: HairOfTheDog
The bike camps are loud, with a different kind of crowd, drinking at night and loud music, and well, loud bikes buzzing around camp

That's a rather polite description of those folks
;^>

22 posted on 07/05/2004 9:51:06 AM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (Kerry{D-Hanoi} plans to graff post-Vietnam policy on Iraq: Exit & let the Syrian Baathists take over)
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To: off-roader
You missed my point. They aren't breaking the law being in camp, just unwelcome on the horse side. The two hobbies aren't compatible in the same land. Luckily, it is not the case that they are thrown together, they are supposed to have different areas where they won't conflict. They have their own designated camps on their own side, and when we try to tell them that, they slash our tires.

I realize ~you~ are not personally at fault for our own local turf battle in Washington, but I think it is symptomatic of a notable culture clash, and a personality characteristic of people who like their own engine noise more than they like the scenery they ride through. The horse people don't invade the bike side, the bikers invade the horse side when their side gets all tore up. The bikers should respect our desire for quiet on our side as much as I respect their desire to make noise on theirs.

Of course we reported slashed tires.... They said there were lots of other reports just like ours, always horse trailers. No witnesses.

23 posted on 07/05/2004 9:53:41 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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To: TeleStraightShooter

~smiles~

I am ~really~ trying to remember I was young once, and fighting the temptation to say "kids-these-days".


24 posted on 07/05/2004 9:57:40 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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To: HairOfTheDog; All
I see both sides. The envir nuts don't want anyone on the land they worship , including horse riders. That said I believe we all have a responsibility to take care of our, not "their" land. If something is endangered then I think they out to be put in zoos or nurseries and make more. If I thought I had a rare species on my land, it would be gone before anyone could determine.

My husband used to ride and do CC dirt bike racing. I never cared for riding but enjoyed watching , the camping out and peace and quiet with them in the distance but the rebbing, drinking (after riding), and music in the evenings never bothered me either.

Maybe it's just the crowd hanging out where you are. My husbands group would never have even considered riding near horses and non riders would visit our camp as we would theirs. I heard my husband mention many times "If we get too loud or bother yall, let us know". It was kind of fun actually. His only enemies were the rattlers. The good ole days! :')

25 posted on 07/05/2004 10:17:04 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

Maybe it is one generation down from when you were there too. I don't think any part of our society is seeing better manners with each generation. ;~D

There is a balance.... I'd describe it, but I gotta go for the day. More later, if the thread is still interesting tonight!


26 posted on 07/05/2004 10:28:52 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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To: taxed2death
Man, you guys (and gals) are so lucky out west. In my state of CT, we have ONE small legal spot to ride out ATV's....it's pathetic.

You bet we are.

We routinely go on two and three day expeditions into the back country of the high desert. We generally have two or three 4-WD vehicles and 4 or 5 dirt bikes. We follow these back roads for hundreds of miles, and sometimes don't see another human for two or three days!

We have found old mines, ghost towns, canyons that are not even on topo maps, natural springs, and even ran across an old miner once, with his pack mule in tow. We spent the night around a big ol fire and turns out this guy bailed out of the high tech field and now prospects and wanders around the high country with his mule and dog. It's way cool.

We found a road that goes from the high desert to the 9000 foot level of the Sierras with unreal views and vistas. It a real adventure, and we make the trip often.

27 posted on 07/05/2004 10:43:15 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Like they'll stay on the roads this time either....

I am with you. This is not good news. Truly, I do not favor this thing.

28 posted on 07/05/2004 11:01:58 AM PDT by Wneighbor (OH! It's almost time to leave!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
They want quiet alright, until it is them coming and going, or their own music

It's an ethical problem. Some come to a quiet spot and have to make noise even when there are quiet people all around. Do they get the hint that it is quiet on purpose?

29 posted on 07/05/2004 11:08:55 AM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

GRRRRRR!!!!
Lucky SOB (see my private email)


30 posted on 07/05/2004 11:22:43 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: HairOfTheDog

I ride my ATV here in CT on private land. Several towns located very near my town have the highest "horse /people per capita" ratio in the US. Cheshire CT, Newtown CT. We share the same trails. Whenever I see a person on a horse....even if he / she is 300 feet away, I'll pull of to the side of the trail and turn my bike off until they pass. I STILL get an attitude form the horse people.......this is riding on private land to which I have permission to ride on!

I've had my tires slashed on my truck also.

That axe, apparently, swings both ways my friend.


31 posted on 07/05/2004 11:29:51 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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