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To: beavus
Values - questions of good and evil - are not just subjective. The absurd claim of liberalism that a human embryo should be spawned in a lab and used for parts in medical experiments should have no placed in a civilized society. Kerry is a monster to support and believe in such grotesque rot. No decent, normal human being would want to live in a society given over to such abomination. A boot stomping on a human baby's face is self-evidently evil.
108 posted on 07/05/2004 11:13:45 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Values - questions of good and evil - are not just subjective.

Just as there is no thought without a thinker, no running without a runner, no liking without a liker, there is no value without a valuer. The concept of a value without a valuer doesn't make any sense. Now, it is true that false things can be valued (e.g., 2+2=5, the moon is cheese), and things which dramatically conflict with my values can be valued (e.g., murder, assault). But one cannot escape the semantic fact that valuing is what a valuer does.

Also, values are much broader, and usually less interesting, than just questions of good and evil.

A boot stomping on a human baby's face is self-evidently evil.

It's evident to me, as it dramatically conflicts with some of my most basic and strongly held values (not to mention a few ascetic ones). You can therefore consider it self-evident to me, if you like.

113 posted on 07/05/2004 11:33:54 AM PDT by beavus
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
A boot stomping on a human baby's face is self-evidently evil.

Since you guys are plunging into the deep - here is a question I've been thinking about while riding on my John Deere and moving the lawn:

Can an atheist believe in (or define) good or/and evil?

Without a reference for good, without an eternal prognosis for an eternal soul, where does the objective reference for evil come from?

Not stated well, but maybe you'll get the question.

A_R

115 posted on 07/05/2004 11:51:43 AM PDT by arkady_renko
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