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To: ladysusan
Not country in the world could pull off a screening of its "whole...population" for mental illness, not even the great and mighty USA.

Much less make sure that 300 milion people take their pill every day.

So what.

No dictatorship can ever implement all of its programs compltely. Hell, no dictatorship can ever implement any of its programs completely.

That doesn't stop 'em from trying.

Is Cuba a "no worry here, mate" scenario simply because Castro cannot silence or jail all of his critics?

I think that if you think about it you'll conclude that the ability to completely meet an expressed goal is meaningless, once the state in question decides to go about implementing its agenda.

The USSR didn't "help" all of its dissidents. It couldn't. It was logistically impossible. They just didn't have enough psychologists and psychiatrists.

I'm sure we'll be more efficient, but still fall short.

Somehow, I don't find the thought comforting.

And on that thought, I leave you(all) with two more thoughts.

I'm still making my way through this thread, but I haven't yet seen a reference to the other thread on this topic, which resulted in a knock-down, drag-out 1000+ post thread, Bush to screen population for mental illness, started on June 22. (I don't recall seeing a reference to this thread in that one either, but I may have missed it.)

Finally -- and I don't know if it's been posted to FR at all -- there is already an active agitprop campaign for this travesty.

As all agitprop campaigns, it is indirect, and aims below the belt.

In this article -- U.S. senator, sobbing for son, pleas for suicide bill -- you need to go all the way to the last paragraph if you want to see the connection to the atrocity under discussion in this thread.

Welcome to Newmerica. Roll up your sleeve and obey your "helper," OK? Don't make waves. Go with the flow. Enjoy!

88 posted on 07/09/2004 10:25:02 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe

I think the reason why that thread went so long because this proposition is wrapped up with a lot of sensitive issues. Taxes and more importantly the most cherished and invaluable forms of rights and that is private and property rights of one's mental situation. Think about it. Once the government invades the privacy of one's mental state, then what else is there?


93 posted on 07/09/2004 10:31:22 PM PDT by cyborg (the NYT is slipping down the hypotenuse of relevancy)
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To: Don Joe

Thanks for your links.

And I found this article from AP:

Mental Illnesses Bring Detention for Some Youths

Report finds many juveniles are `warehoused' in facilities

by Erica Werner
Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- Thousands of mentally ill youths are unnecessarily put in juvenile detention centers to await mental health treatment, a House committee reported Wednesday.

Centers usually are not equipped to treat mental illness, and in some cases the youths have not been charged with a crime, said the report by the Democratic staff of the House Government Reform Committee.

"The use of juvenile detention facilities to house youth waiting for community mental health services is widespread and a serious national problem," said the report, which found that two-thirds of juvenile detention facilities hold youths who are waiting for mental health treatment. "This misuse of detention centers as holding areas for mental health treatment is unfair to youth, undermines their health, disrupts the function of detention centers and is costly to society."

The report was prepared at the request of California Rep. Henry Waxman, the House Government Reform Committee's top Democrat, and Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, chairwoman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee.

"Thousands of youth who are in need of community mental health services are stuck in jail until these services become available," Waxman said. "This is deplorable. Congress must ensure that our children have access to the mental health care that they need."

Collins scheduled a hearing on the issue Wednesday in which Waxman was testifying along with experts on mental health law, youth behavior and juvenile detention.

The report identified 698 juvenile detention facilities in the United States, defined as correctional facilities holding people age 21 and younger awaiting charges or trial or recently tried. Seventy-five percent of the facilities, or 524, responded to the survey, including facilities from every state but New Hampshire. The survey covered six months, Jan. 1, 2003, to June 30, 2003.

The report did not attempt to determine why so many youths who needed mental health treatment were being put in juvenile detention but said administrators blamed the lack of other treatment facilities.

One detention center administrator from Louisiana wrote, "We appear to be warehousing youths with mental illnesses due to lack of mental health services."


111 posted on 07/11/2004 10:55:17 AM PDT by SkyRat (If privacy wasn't of value, we wouldn't have doors on bathrooms.)
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