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Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness
Bmj Journals ^ | 19 June, 2004 | Jeanne Lenzer

Posted on 07/04/2004 6:39:03 PM PDT by SkyRat

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To: AM2000
What if doctors started psychological screenings as a matter of routine, the same way they check BP and body temp's today every time you go to a doctors office?

The Outcome Based Education Program (Goals 2000) already does screening on students and their families. The children are given personal questions to answer as part of their curriculum, and the family information is put on file.
If you have a child in a public school, they know more about you and your family than you know about yourself. They get everything they need from the kids.

41 posted on 07/04/2004 7:17:23 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: bikepacker67

We'll all be on prozac soon.


42 posted on 07/04/2004 7:18:26 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: concerned about politics
You don't think the article is accurate?
43 posted on 07/04/2004 7:19:02 PM PDT by SkyRat (If privacy wasn't of value, we wouldn't have doors on bathrooms.)
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To: tet68

Good one. This idea, though, even if it's well intentioned, opens up all sorts of avenues for abuse down the road. Citizens could find their right to vote curtailed, disqualification to run for public office and even wills nullified.


44 posted on 07/04/2004 7:26:02 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Want to make a difference? http://www.numbersusa.com)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Some would say marraige, in general, is the result of momentary mental illness.


45 posted on 07/04/2004 7:29:20 PM PDT by zarf
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To: SkyRat
comprehensive mental health screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children

This might be a good idea. Consuming preschool children was banned long ago.

46 posted on 07/04/2004 7:32:36 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

Good one. This idea, though, even if it's well intentioned, opens up all sorts of avenues for abuse down the road. Citizens could find their right to vote curtailed, disqualification to run for public office and even wills nullified.


Your children taken...


47 posted on 07/04/2004 7:36:42 PM PDT by ladysusan ("It was horrible, a monster...like, like, with the body of a crab and the head of a social worker")
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To: SkyRat
The second I saw the headline I knew the article was BS. Not country in the world could pull off a screening of its "whole...population" for mental illness, not even the great and mighty USA. Or I should say, especially not the USA, unless, that is, the author claims Bush plans to torch the constitution.

Where do the people come from who buy into this stuff?

48 posted on 07/04/2004 7:42:19 PM PDT by beckett
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To: The_Media_never_lie
We'll all be on prozac soon

Or SOMA.

49 posted on 07/04/2004 7:56:49 PM PDT by bikepacker67
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To: SkyRat
Seems to be four main stories here.

(a) Implementation of the Screening tests.

(b) A whistleblower who was fired for exercising the First Amendment.

(c) An argument about whether they should scrap the old medicines and go big time with the new, more expensive medicines, and

(d) Kick-back scandals and how much more the pharmaceuticals donated to the Republicans than they did to the Dems.

But I see another story here that hasn't been touched on. If the entire population is going to be screened, ostensibly to optimize the quality of life for all, this means that everyone will be blood sampled and their genetic codes will be in a master data base.

This worries me for several reasons, one of which opens up old fears concerning population pruning and maximizing the potential (future) tax base to keep up with interest payments and cost of government and its socialistic programs.

No, I don't believe they are going to open the ovens again . . . not when they can chemically pin-point and reduce what has been described as 'useless eaters' groups, either by age or by measure of usefulness and/or productivity.

But those are only the beginning of my fears if this screening actually is implemented. Consider how easy it would be to rule over a zonked-out population.

Also consider that under current gun-control laws (not sure if state or federal), you will be unable to own a gun if you are being chemically treated for an unbalanced mental condition. Correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Well, this should be enough food for thought. Someone tell me I'm mentally ill for stating the above and you'll make my day.

Happy Fourth of July to all. But I fear the fireworks haven't begun yet.

50 posted on 07/04/2004 8:14:58 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: ladysusan

Your tag line ("It was horrible, a monster...like, like, with the body of a crab and the head of a social worker") illustrates your point.

Social services, not services of socialism.


51 posted on 07/04/2004 8:19:23 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Want to make a difference? http://www.numbersusa.com)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

My tag line is a quote from Woody Allen.


52 posted on 07/04/2004 8:32:50 PM PDT by ladysusan ("It was horrible, a monster...like, like, with the body of a crab and the head of a social worker")
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To: beckett

Not country in the world could pull off a screening of its "whole...population" for mental illness, not even the great and mighty USA.

Much less make sure that 300 milion people take their pill every day.


53 posted on 07/04/2004 8:34:08 PM PDT by ladysusan ("It was horrible, a monster...like, like, with the body of a crab and the head of a social worker")
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To: SkyRat
I read the report and it is troublesome. Combining that with the meddlesome aspects of Goals 2000 and it is even more troubling. Goal 4 of the report discusses how all students will be given mental health tests. Above and beyond my instinct that tells me that we will end up with far more kids on drugs to control their behavior, the results of these tests can follow one forever. It appears as though the testing will be mandatory and there is no telling what types of responses will raise flags.

What might seem like a ridiculous possibility is that say, a first grader that likes to play cowboys and indians could be considered potentially violent and possess a fascination with guns. What type of "treatment" will they provide for him? Then, it becomes part of his permanent health record and what would that do for potential future job opportunities, especially if the only notation is "potentially violent and a fascination with firearms"?

54 posted on 07/04/2004 8:37:46 PM PDT by L_Von_Mises
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To: L_Von_Mises

One addendum - An Executive order was signed April 29, 2002 to establish the commision, so the wheels are already in motion on this one.


55 posted on 07/04/2004 8:40:17 PM PDT by L_Von_Mises
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To: SkyRat
Bush plans to screen whole US population for mental illness...the scheme described in this article credits the mental health establishment with way too much knowledge, technical know-how, and ability to coordinate what services they can provide - it'll never happen......
56 posted on 07/04/2004 8:52:25 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: steplock

Keep talkin like that and you'll be identified as needing to be 're-educated'.

Of course you are correct in your assertion.

There is no reason such a horror as the state locking up those who hold conservative views/christian views/straight views can not occur.

We have quit following the rule of law and the constitution is an interesting document but one that doesn't seem to have any impact on government anymore.


57 posted on 07/04/2004 9:19:54 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: SkyRat

Mr. Conservative is at it again.

How much is this compassion going to cost?


58 posted on 07/04/2004 9:54:21 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (" Permitting homosexuality didn't work out very well for the Roman Empire")
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To: bikepacker67

I agree. I hope this is campaign bullsh*t and about as serious as the Mars spaceshot endeavor he was pushing a couple of months back.


59 posted on 07/04/2004 10:33:16 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (DEFUND THE CPB AND IT'S SPAWN: NPR, PBS & RADIO PACIFICA)
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To: Finalapproach29er

But we're all forgetting that it is the federal gubmint's role of provider and protector at stake here. it's even in the Constitution: '...to provide for the defense, common welfare, and mandatory psychological health of its citizens'. And in the Declaration: 'When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary to screen everyone against potentially harmful mental imbalances, including but not limited to depression, overt aggression (including road rage (Ben Franklin added that part)) and frustration due to lack of Passion Parties...'


60 posted on 07/04/2004 10:41:40 PM PDT by natewill (Start the revolution NOW!)
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