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Distinct signature found in ’01 anthrax
Baltimore Sun ^ | 4/7/04 | Scott Shane

Posted on 07/04/2004 6:08:42 AM PDT by TrebleRebel

Distinct signature found in ’01 anthrax Discovery raises hope that source can be traced By Scott Shane Sun National Staff Originally published July 4, 2004 In a possible break for the FBI's investigation of the anthrax letters of 2001, scientists have discovered that the mailed anthrax was a mix of two slightly different samples, giving the bacteria a distinct signature that might make it easier to match with a source, according to two non-government experts who have been told of the finding. The discovery that bacteria taken from the letters all grew in the double pattern was made at least a year ago, and it is not known whether the FBI's hunt for a matching sample has succeeded.

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TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: amerithrax; anthrax; antraz; coverup; hatfill
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Comment #181 Removed by Moderator

To: Shermy
That's why the AMI attack is strange.

While it's hard to say exactly why those two Senators were targeted, they were both major public figures. The same goes for Tom Brokaw at NBC. ABC is similarly no surprise, assuming from the case of the baby that they got an undiscovered letter (probably addressed to Peter Jennings, I would guess, based on the fact that the NBC letter was addressed to Brokaw).

But why would AMI be targeted? The New York Post is almost as peculiar a target.

I know people spin tales of how the company was called "American Media" and they had been told to target the American media, or how it was all about Jennifer Lopez, or some such thing. I have to say that that kind of speculation seems silly to me (although I'm probably guilty of engaging in it at times :-) ). At the level of power politics we're talking about, people do things for real reasons.

By the way, what happened to CBS? Was it just NBC and ABC? Or did CBS get a letter too, but nobody happened to get infected there?

182 posted on 07/12/2004 10:36:57 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Shermy
Interestingly, the meeting coincides with a gap in information on Atta's whereabouts. Could the Czechs make that up so quickly?

Good point.

BTW, what do you think about Tenet's latest statement?

I'm not too impressed with all the twisting and turning.

What I would like to know is why Tenet and Pavitt resigned. That would tell us something.

183 posted on 07/12/2004 10:40:49 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: TrebleRebel
Distinct signature found in ’01 anthrax


184 posted on 07/12/2004 10:42:36 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: TrebleRebel
Distinct signature found in ’01 anthrax


185 posted on 07/12/2004 10:43:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Mitchell; TrebleRebel

"But why would AMI be targeted? The New York Post is almost as peculiar a target. ... By the way, what happened to CBS?"

Anthrax was found in Dan Rather's office. They're only "peculiar" given the assumption that the sender (not necessarily the mastermind) fits one's different expectation. I posed the question, Ross's page adopted it, why weren't targets like the New York Times, Washington Post selected? Wouldn't "great powers" target them instead of AMI?

Put it this way - what kind of person would select CBS, NBC, CBS, New York Post and AMI tabloid? Someone who is exposed to them, someone who watches the networks, familiar with New York Post and tabloids, rather than cable new, New York Times and other higher brow stuff.

And if the letter(s) were to J.Lo., the tabloid being the conduit, isn't J.Lo. the target? Often it is assumed that "AMI" was the target. But if so, why wouldn't the "editor" (like the NYPost letter address) or major personality on the masthead be targeted, mail delivered to them, and spores be prominently found in their office? Think about the networks - not much anthrax around except the offices of the targets. Take AMI - anthrax all around. Could this dispersal be indicative of kook mail opened up by, say, the mail room staff because it wasn't addressed to an AMI personality? Then this mail was carted around and shown to others for humor's sake? Stevens reportedly was an afficiondo of this kind of mail. In other words, what does the dispersal pattern in AMI tell us about the addressee of the letter?

If sick letters to J.Lo., what kind of man would that be? Hatfill? Agent for drug companies? Or a man or men in their 20's confused about women and female sexuality - which J.Lo represented?

If not a "J.Lo." letter, a tabloid was anyway targeted - would a conniving government agent select that? And again, just what kind of letter would seemingly have been opened before delivery to a putative AMI addressee?

But there are other possibilities. The idea that AMI was targeted as a representative of "America" I find not worthwhile, however someone who was told to target the "media in America" might have done a simple google search, and AMI popped up, giving the sender an idea.

And as for the New York Post, it is well known for being pro-Israeli. That why it was selected?

Here's another thing I've commented on but see no experts mentioning - the difference in the first and second wave of letters. The first are "crazy looking" in their script. The second are better written, more determined. The first only mentions "penacilin", the second explicitly says "anthrax." My conclusion - the sender was frustrated the first wave didn't have the desired effect, even the known AMI attack wasn't fixed to a message. So the sender became more determined, more careful in writing, and mentioned "anthrax" to make sure the message was gotten. (This logic does not preclude a government agent or such did the mailings).

The sender might also have decided that attacking media targets did not get the result desired, so he chose politicians.

Now the politicians selected are interesting, assuming only Daschle and Leahy were selected. Recall that Bush was not seen as pro-Israel or anti-Arab, quite the opposite. And note KSM, supposedly, said that the last plane targeted the capitol, not the White House, because the White House was not seen as a pro-Israel particularly (or something like that). Indeed, Democrats were seen as the "pro-Israel" faction in the U.S. Maybe that's why Democrats were targeted. And I know that Osama really doesn't care much about Israel and has a global view, but if KSM selected targets - he's a Palestinian.

So many possibilities - including that there were other letters. Daschle might have been selected because prominence on television, Leahy because talking about the Patriot Act, the perp has a Vermont connection - you name it.

There's some of my thoughts - posted elsewhere up to two years ago, probably now deleted - no fault of my own. :)


186 posted on 07/12/2004 11:56:26 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Anthrax was found in Dan Rather's office.

I looked it up, and you're right. I'd forgotten all about that. One of Rather's aides got cutaneous anthrax.

187 posted on 07/12/2004 1:01:06 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Shermy
what kind of person would select CBS, NBC, CBS, New York Post and AMI tabloid?

CBS, NBC, and ABC make sense as the three major networks. I think their selection points to somebody middle-aged or older, since young people think of those as just three channels out of the hundreds available on cable, nothing all that special.

The Post and AMI are different. I think there must have been specific reasons for targeting those. I don't know what those reasons were, though.

188 posted on 07/12/2004 1:15:57 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Mitchell
I think their selection points to somebody middle-aged or older

That's very interesting. My first thought was someone without cable.

189 posted on 07/12/2004 1:39:13 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: TrebleRebel

I wonder if that signature read Lt. Col. Philip Zack?


190 posted on 07/12/2004 2:30:35 PM PDT by paleocon patriarch (Rule One: -"The cover-up is worse than the event." Rule Two: "No one ever remembers the first rule.)
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To: Battle Axe; Mitchell; jpl; TrebleRebel; Khan Noonian Singh

I read a lot of the Senate's intelligence report.

Unfortunately much is blacked out.

Fascinating. Off the bat it starts, surprisingly, on Joseph Wilson and Niger.

All the stuff on the sources of the British intelligence is blacked out.

The bio-war stuff is interesting too... much blacked out. But generally the slant is how the CIA reported it, not making tabsolute true or false findings.


192 posted on 07/12/2004 6:50:12 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy; Battle Axe; apokatastasis; Mitchell
Some group has the scientific sophistication to weaponise anthrax spores, harnessing for themselves WMD-scale destructive power close to atomic weaponry, and what do they do? Attack some tabloid which has published sexy photos of Jennifer Lopez, all because they don't like the way JLo shakes her booty?

Give me a break.

193 posted on 07/12/2004 7:01:21 PM PDT by Khan Noonian Singh
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To: Shermy
<<< Who produced the fake Niger papers? There is nothing approaching a consensus on this question within the intelligence community. There has been published speculation about the intelligence services of several different countries. One theory, favored by some journalists in Rome, is that sismi produced the false documents and passed them to Panorama for publication.

Another explanation was provided by a former senior C.I.A. officer. He had begun talking to me about the Niger papers in March, when I first wrote about the forgery, and said, “Somebody deliberately let something false get in there.” He became more forthcoming in subsequent months, eventually saying that a small group of disgruntled retired C.I.A. clandestine operators had banded together in the late summer of last year and drafted the fraudulent documents themselves. >>>

Seymour Hersh
The New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/031027fa_fact
194 posted on 07/12/2004 7:07:44 PM PDT by Khan Noonian Singh
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To: Battle Axe; Shermy
<< Take the witness statement of the USDA lady. Atta was under the impression that the safe sitting behind this woman was full of money and she could open it and hand him some. >>

Suuure he was. He just wanted to be remembered.

Atta was no hick from some tribe in the desert who had never been to the Big City. He was a grad student in Germany, for crying out loud.

Now..... Why did he want to be remembered?
196 posted on 07/12/2004 7:15:02 PM PDT by Khan Noonian Singh
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To: Battle Axe
<< Fact: AMI WAS a target.
How do you explain that? You don't in our culture. >>

Yes, you do. Power politics is crosscultural.

To find out the purpose of the Boca anthrax, ask yourself what would be different in the world today if that attack had not taken place.

The answer is that the geographic tie-in between anthrax and the 09-11 highjackers would be gone.

That tie-in is the sole thing that has convinced many that there must be SOME connection between anthrax and 09-11. Getting that tie-in into the Zeitgeist was the purpose.

<< So it must be thinking from another culture. >>

Can you point your finger at any known Al-Qaida attack that requires other-cultural thinking to explain? No, they're all clear. Horrible but transparently clear. The mojahedeen's actions against the USSR in Afghanistan. The attack on the Cole. The bombing of Khobar towers. The early Twin Towers bombing. The millennium plot. Name it, it's clear.
198 posted on 07/12/2004 7:25:21 PM PDT by Khan Noonian Singh
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To: Khan Noonian Singh
Another explanation was provided by a former senior C.I.A. officer.

One crank feeding off another? Or Seymour doing his usual CIA disinformation services again?

200 posted on 07/12/2004 7:33:09 PM PDT by Shermy
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