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To: backtothestreets; Kerberos; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; Let's Roll; Barlowmaker; adam_az; ...
Thank you for your post.

The United States of America, who's own Constitution makes no mention of God.

Yes indeed, The Constitution of the United States of America does mention God; it even refers to the personal relationship with God brought about through Jesus Christ and depicts Him as sovereign over them.

Hawaii

Thank you. I've studied the history of Hawaii for a respectful few moments. Hawaii was horribly abused, largely by the children and grandchildren of honest missionaries who loved the Lord, by "wolves in sheeps clothing" as the Word describes, and by greedy warlord-type industrialists. America should have not tolerated this, just as they should have not tolerated our abuses of the Philippines in 1925.

So I wonder, why when you search for Christian failings, and they have occurred, do you look only outside our history?

btts, you have yourself, accurately described who between the Hawaiians and her oppressors, who showed themselves to be Christians. Thank you. There may have been those who will be granted salvation at the Judgment among Hawaii's oppressors, but only if they are found repentant.

"If anyone says, 'I love God,' yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen."

One must discern between what is done with a group who calls themselves a "church," and the Church. The way to find the Church, usually, is to look for the people who honor Jesus Christ in word and deed, not merely in "fathers, masters," or "teachers." And if the later are manipulating the former for power and gain, they are hardly showing themselves as Christian. (Matthew 23).

Now, in the case of a presidential campaign freely gathering the names of people of any association which allows freedom of its members to communicate outside of that association (and I pray all associations may) there is neither any illegality nor sin. Or, when did we lose the freedoms of speech or of assembly?

So, look for what "the real people" are doing; they are usually coming close to doing what people should really do, in a republic. Then, see if they are honoring the nation. In this case, if you want to see what the Church is doing, look for those who pay close personal attention to the Scriptures of the Lord.

Actively gathering free people's names for the communications of political campaigns is one of America's virtuous activities. Preventing this is, well, it's just not Christian.

126 posted on 07/03/2004 4:07:30 PM PDT by unspun (Love ya, W - try vetoing sometime. | I'm not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate.)
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To: unspun; narses
The "free exercise" and "establishment" clauses presuppose an understanding of and acceptance of the diversity of Christian religious practice in colonial America. Whether Anglican, Congregationalist, Catholic, or Baptist, the exercise of religious faith and faith-centered life is referenced. When the writings of the framers and founders are explored this becomes a bit more clear. If totalitarian secular humanism was intended, this was a pretty strange way to go about it.

The Carl Sagan/Norman Lear/Madalyn Murray-O'Hair-style of secular humanism does not get a boost from this.

128 posted on 07/03/2004 4:15:23 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: unspun

Thank you so much for the ping to your excellent post!


130 posted on 07/03/2004 8:25:56 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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