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To: churchillbuff

Let's count Moore's lies, quickly:

1. Moore pretends it was Bush who let the bin Laden family leave after 9/11 without being interviewed by law enforcement and before planes were permitted to fly. Lie. It was Richard Clarke's, the left's poster boy, who signed the order without any direction from the president. The FBI did interview the family. Planes were flying by the time the family left.

Given Moore's hatred of the Patriot Act I'm shocked he'd suggest we actually hold people against their will without just cause.

2. Moore claims the Taliban went to Texas and met with Governor Bush to get approval for Unocal Corp. to build a pipeline in that country. Lie. The Taliban did go to Texas at the invitation of Unocal Corporation which had permission from the Clinton administration to pursue the deal. The Taliban did meet with at the White House. Problem is it was the Clinton White House in 1997 and 1998.

3. Moore and all the leftists say OBL and Saddam did not have a relationship. Lie. For ten years in the 90's the mainstream press wrote hundreds of articles which detailed the world's alarm at the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam. The Clinton administration got an indictment in federal court against Osama bin Laden which detailed how the terrorist agreed not to attack Iraq in exchange for WMD training. As well, the 9/11 Commission co-Chairs have mentioned recently that they've seen evidence that an Iraqi Fedayeen member was present during at least one pre-9/11 planning meeting.

4. Moore pretends that it is the minority groups in the country who primarily serve in the military and further lies and says that no one in the administration or Congress has children who serve in the military. Lie. Truth: Over 10 Congressmen have kids in the Middle East and Ashcroft has a son in Iraq. There is a thread about this matter on FR but I no longer have the link. Additionally, the minority populations serving in the military pretty much follow their representation in the general population.

5. Feel free to add to the list. It's a long and distinguished list in the Hallmark Hall of Fame of liars.


14 posted on 07/02/2004 10:12:44 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

He lied throughout the movie. He might as well continue to lie about how much money the movie is making. It all just goes together.


58 posted on 07/02/2004 10:53:52 AM PDT by gooleyman ((You'll NEVER agree with ANYONE about EVERYTHING. You'll NEVER agree with a DemocRAT about ANYTHING))
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To: Peach

http://www.ew.com/ew/onlyonaol/report/0,17129,658817_1||525488_0_,00.html

Moore spews more whoppers in an Entertainment "Weakly" interview:

Moore criticizes America, he says, to make ''this country the one that our founding fathers thought it should be''

(Yeah, if our founders were named Marx and Lenin!)

Was it your intention to take down Bush?
Moore:My intention was to make as good a film as I could make.

He goes on to say that if politics is the primary motivation, the film's quality will suffer.

It seems to me that what you were trying to do was build the left's most sensational, potent case against this administration.
Moore: My own motivation [was the thought that] we can't leave this up to the Democrats. It's too serious now. I mean, this is a party that can't even win when they win. They lose when they win, you can't get more pathetic than that. We have to save them from themselves.

Then a rare moment of truth:

Is this why you pushed for it to be released on June 25? And the October DVD date? To directly assist the Democrats in the election?
Moore:Yes.

Now for some BIG LIES
On showing scenes of a peaceful idyllic pre-war Iraq under Saddam:
"I want you to take a look at the human beings that were living in Iraq in 2003. The ones that we were going to BOMB INDISCRIMINATELY."
"The New York Times reports that our air strikes that week were zero for 50 in terms of hitting the targets."

Here Moore leaves out the fact that we hit the locations that we intended to, but the PEOPLE (Saddam, etc) that we were targeting weren't there at the time. Anyone who watched the first week of the war saw our bombs hit government buildings and Saddam's palaces with incredible precision. The US military does not bomb indiscriminately. If we had bombed indiscriminately, we could have leveled Baghdad.

ON THE US MEDIA:
"I realized early on that we were going to have to do an end run around those at the Pentagon and the way they were stage-managing the news. They successfully got the networks to drink the Kool-Aid."

Did you get the footage of the sexual abuse before or after the prison scandal broke?
MOORE: Before.

Why didn't you make it public? Or at least give it to the government?
MOORE: I thought, What should we do? We don't have a show, we're not going to give it to these networks. THEY'RE ALL CHEERLEADERS FOR BUSH.

Do you really believe that?
MOORE: There's not a single network I would give this footage to and expect them to handle it properly.

HEY MIKEY, EVER HEARD OF CBS AND 60 MINUTES? THEY BROKE THE STORY. HOW ABOUT THE NY TIMES? THEY DID 47 FRONT-PAGE ABU GHRAIB STORIES IN 50 DAYS!

On second thought, he's right: You can't expect the media to handle this story properly.


61 posted on 07/02/2004 10:56:02 AM PDT by GeorgiaYankee
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To: Peach

Soldiers in the most-likely-to-experience-combat units are actually even more likely to be white than in the general population proportions.

Here's an article from USAToday, hardly a Stormfront org..lol

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-01-20-army-usat_x.htm


72 posted on 07/02/2004 11:16:32 AM PDT by wardaddy (Saddam....hope you like your new digs...lol....you're gonna miss our panties)
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To: Peach
Hearing the word Jesus coming out of Moore-on's mouth is repulsive.

4. Moore pretends that it is the minority groups in the country who primarily serve in the military and further lies and says that no one in the administration or Congress has children who serve in the military.

This is a pet peeve of mine. These leftists say that minorities join the military in large numbers in order to have a job. Big Lie. But then they promote the draft to "even out the playing field." But if these people are doing it for jobs, aren't large numbers of them going to be crowded out by people who were drafted? It doesn't make sense. None of it does. The World Turned Upside Down indeed.
74 posted on 07/02/2004 11:21:42 AM PDT by johnb838 (When I hear "Allahu Akhbar" it means somebody is about to die.)
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To: Peach

70+ replys on this thread, I may be duplicating, sorry...

--5. Feel free to add to the list. It's a long and distinguished list in the Hallmark Hall of Fame of liars.--

the one that gets me is on the dam commercial for this stupid movie. Bush saying about fighting the terrorist, than swinging the golf club...

The edited part was the terrorists attacking Israel!!!


76 posted on 07/02/2004 11:26:52 AM PDT by backinthefold (9/11 changed me, and I will never forget)
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