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To: frankandjoan

I agree that they are acting in the name of their religion...as it suits them...

I would suggest that in the future, when posting Islamic quotes, you include some of these...

The Holy Qur'an > Surah Al-Baqarah> Verse 11
When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only want to make peace!"

"If anyone harms (others), God will harm him, and if anyone shows hostility to others, God will show hostility to him." Sunan of Abu-Dawood, Hadith 1625

"Not one of you is a believer until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself." Fourth Hadith of an-Nawawi 13

"O mankind! We created you from a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know and honor each other (not that you should despise one another). Indeed the most honorable of you in the sight of God is the most righteous." Chapter 49, Verse 13

"God does not forbid you to be kind and equitable to those who have neither fought against your faith nor driven you out of your homes. In fact God loves the equitable." Chapter 60, Verse 8

"And in their [the earlier prophets] footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the law that had come before him. We sent him the Gospel, therein was guidance and light and confirmation of the law that had come before him, a guidance and an admonition to those who fear God." Chapter 5, Verse 46

"Repel (evil) with what is better. Then will he, between whom and thee was hatred, become as it were thy friend and intimate. And no one will be granted such goodness except those who exercise patience and self-restraint." Chapter 41, Verse 34 and 35

"Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden (paradise) whose width is that of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous - Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity or in adversity, who restrain (their) anger and pardon (all) men - for God loves those who do good." Chapter 3, Verses 133-134

"And what will explain to you what the steep path is? It is the freeing of a (slave) from bondage; or the giving of food in a day of famine to an orphan relative, or to a needy in distress. Then will he be of those who believe, enjoin fortitude and encourage kindness and compassion." Chapter 90, Verses 12-17

"Show forgiveness, speak for justice and avoid the ignorant." Chapter 7, Verse 199

"Say ye: 'We believe in God and the revelation given to us and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord. We make no difference between one and another of them, and we bow to God.' " Chapter 2, Verse 136

"Religion is very easy and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way. So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and receive the good tidings that you will be rewarded." Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 38

"Avoid cruelty and injustice...and guard yourselves against miserliness, for this has ruined nations who lived before you." Riyadh-us-Salaheen, Hadith 203.

See, even the terrorists do not obey all of their tenets.


160 posted on 07/02/2004 9:33:21 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
Point well taken, sir. I never had any doubt that passages of this nature are numerous in the Koran, in fact, I believe and you have shown that they are far more numerous then the so-called "Satanic Verses" that I have referred to. However, the perps in this case, perhaps relying on the Koran as justification for thuggish behavior, are perverting their religion in the minds of average Joes like myself. I am frustrated beyond belief that more peaceful Muslims don't oppose their actions, but I remain convinced that this opposition would land them in the "unbeliever" category, and they would be subject to appropriate puinishments and sanctions.

It's up to us to "dissuade" them from this path of horror, by providing a greater horror for them. I am also convinced that their position is utterly beyond reason. Unfortunately, my position is, as well. That would be thanks to 9/11 and a few rolling heads.

I apologize for my strident tone, but I feel very strongly about all this. I live in fear that next a FEMALE soldier will be captured, and that she will be beheaded on tape, and that the tape will be made available for the consumption of the soft, nervous, safety conscious Americans who can no longer tolerate as few as 1% casualties without squealing.

These thugs have far more stomach for war then we do, and that scares me to my core.
166 posted on 07/02/2004 9:51:05 AM PDT by frankandjoan
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To: stuartcr

In the Quran, it is said:

God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)

Also, the Prophet Muhammad used to prohibit soldiers from killing women and children,1 and he would advise them: {...Do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.}2 And he also said: {Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.}3 He once listed murder as the second of the major sins,5 and he even warned that on the Day of Judgment, {The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.6}7

I believe we are dealing with murderous terrorists, that are using SOME of the tenets of their religion to rally those that, for whatever reason, are easily manipulated. There are millions that live by the tenets of Islam, that do not agree with these fanatical zealots. Which ones are the true Muslims, the evil ones or the good ones?....it's your interpretation, you can continue hating 1/5 of the population of the world, or just those that are truly responsible.


167 posted on 07/02/2004 9:51:27 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
I would suggest that you take those sweet, lovely verses and get on a plane to the middle east. Then you can stand on a street corner and preach the truth of Islam to all those people, and save America.

We are not the ones who need to hear those verses.

Of course, if this isn't a religious war, you should be quite safe... I mean, all you are doing is teaching the Koran, absolutely no political agenda at all...

175 posted on 07/03/2004 3:53:27 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Don't worry -- moderate Islam will save us!)
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