Posted on 07/01/2004 9:27:32 AM PDT by pookie18
"All nations" is boilerplate-speak fercryinoutloud. Did you just fall off a turnip truck?
No, but it would take someone who did fall off of a turnip truck to be "misled" by this bit.
To say "all nations" is just a sappy way to avoid saying anything specific, or naming any specific country, the kind of phrase statesmen, diplomats and politicians have used for centuries. Such phrases are the bread and butter rhetoric of the political class. There is no greater meaning to be gleaned from it.
And, if he meant exactly what he said, there is nothing at all misleading about the clip.
Brit Hume said it best. Roughly "This movie will reinforce the Bush haters and futher convince the rest that the left has gone insane."
Moore's point was to make the president look uncaring about terror, to make him look like a hardhearted lighweight who amuses himself by showing off his golf drive while sloshing through the blood of innocents.
Now that we know the president was talking about an act of terror in another country, and that the event was not a grave matter for an American president, Moore's entire sneaky tactic falls apart.
Are you trying to say that the clip is "misleading" because it makes it look like the President is being callous about an attack on Americans when in fact he is merely being callous about an attack on Israelis? Is that really what you are trying to say?
My point was provided by your reply. We all have an obligation to point out errors and promote our viewpoint.
Right. Nothing whatsoever. Except that it is exactly what the President says in the clip. Other than that, it has nothing to do with it. Nothing whatsoever.
He's not being callous! I've already covered this in an earlier post. We don't pay our president to get all broken up about every tragedy that happens in the world. He made a boilerplate denunciation of terror, as he is called upon to do almost every day, and then he went back to what he was doing, playing golf. Nothing callous about it.
Michael Moore is a disgusting puke.
I think I'll make this my last post to you. Since the tenor of your remarks makes me guess that you're the type who will take that as an indication that you won the point, let me just say, knock yourself out. Enjoy.
If you find it misleading, it is obviously because you are expending way too much effort deconstructing it. I tend to think the President meant exactly what he said - as he usually does in that context. Is it a funny clip? Sure. Does it make him "uncaring"? No.
Nothing mysterious about it, except to you. He was making a statement of general application. In order to make it appear "misleading", you want to restrict his statement of general application and limit it to a single incident. The question was about a single incident. The answer was not. It is neither difficult nor mysterious.
Bingo. Lugsoul can spin all he wants, but that's what makes the viewer's assumption about which terrorists Bush was talking about critical to how they take the clip. And Moore clearly did everything he could to imply that Bush was being cavalier about the terrorists who caused 9/11, or goofing off on the golf course while asking all other countries to do something about the 9/11 terrorists, in a "fiddling while Rome burns" way.
It's propaganda, and it's utterly indefensible. Not that lugsoul doesn't keep trying for some reason...
Lugsoul has said, "There are so many valid criticisms of Moore that it is a wonder people will grab so tight to crap like this", but the whole point of the current thread is that Moore's trying to mislead viewers into thinking that Bush was "a frat boy" about *9/11* -- if he actually has a case for that, why did Moore have to "grab so tight to crap like this" golf course comment that was only remotely related, if at all, to the 9/11 issue, and then pretend that it *was* about 9/11? If Moore has to dig *this* far afield to get "ammunition" -- *and* mislead the viewer at the same time by not leaving in the sentence which came immediately before ("For the sake of humanity, for the sake of the Palestinians who suffer, for the sake of the Israelis who are under attack, we must stop the terror.") which makes clear that it's about the Palestinian/Israel terrorism, then Moore's case must be so extremely thin that he has to throw in the kitchen sink and try to call it evidence.
Furthermore, he has to do it in an enormously juvenile fashion -- only people whose understanding of national events is on the level of Beavis and Butthead would go "huh huh" at the perfectly ordinary event of a President making a policy statement when asked a question while on vacation, or returning to his vacation activities after concluding the statement.
Moore seems to think this is funny or outrageous somehow. What I find funny -- but sad -- is that anyone would find it funny or significant somehow.
Save your fingers, no one's buying it.
Watch out your Mac is showing :)
I've asked the question before - Moore plays the clip in the ad. I haven't seen the movie. Does he do something in the movie beyond editing the clip the way it is in the ad?
We can all think of dozens of instances where clips are edited for effect. Here is a perfect example: "I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it." It is a terribly funny comment standing alone. Anyone who has heard the entire comment, in context, knows it is not so funny that way - listening to that mundane explanation about this provision or that protection not being in the bill. So it is edited down to the funny part, and gets played over and over. Out of context? Of course. Dishonest? No way.
You folks must be really scared of this lardbag if you think you have to make up crap like this. I would think that the easy shots - like the fact that most of the money he ties to Carlyle was from before GHWB was on the board - would be easy pickin' for you. But that's okay - waste your time on the stupid ones.
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