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To: Light Speed; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; ThinkPlease
Here's what JPL physicist Tim Thompson has to say about Wal Thornhill's "Electric Universe" (whom you quoted above):

The electric universe hypothesis is the brainchild of Australian neo-Velikovskian physicist Wallace Thornhill, by which he seeks to eliminate gravitation altogether and explain all of nature by electromagnetism. The result is some pretty bizzare stuff, including the electric star hypothesis. This hypothesis holds that the source of solar (and stellar) heating is at the suface, and not in the interior. Surface heating is caused by a heavy bombardment of relativisitic electrons accelerated towards the sun by its extremely large excess positive electric charge. There are a lot of reasons to be suspicious of such an argument, which I discuss in this rather long transcribed mailing list message from 1998.

link to Thompson's e-mail exchange with Thornhill: http://www.tim-thompson.com/grey-areas.html

further comments by Thompson regarding Electric Sun theory: http://www.tim-thompson.com/electric-sun.html

In short, the electric sun/plasma Universe stuff is based on the presuppostion of the validity of ancient myths, and its true believers torture science to no end in their efforts to bend it to their will. Thornhill offers no model, only prose, in support of his beliefs.

Contrast this with some of the people on this website who have genuine science credentials; who is more believeable -- some guy from Australia with a BS in 1964, and who has bought into the Velikovskian mythology, or the scientists we have here on FR, who are more than happy to address reasonable questions and explain how science can explain all those things that Thornhill keeps telling you it can't?

166 posted on 06/30/2004 10:15:55 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
who is more believeable -- some guy from Australia with a BS in 1964, and who has bought into the Velikovskian mythology, or the scientists we have here on FR, who are more than happy to address reasonable questions and explain how science can explain all those things that Thornhill keeps telling you it can't?

You know what my vote is...as for the rest, it is much easier to pretend to understand Velikovski, than real science.

169 posted on 06/30/2004 11:09:18 PM PDT by Aracelis
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To: longshadow
To put it midly..Wal Thornhill is sarcastic to whatever,
buts thats him.
I am aware of many others who see Electric Universe as a reasonable construct..they are not like Wal in the attitude dept.

Some who follow E.U. are *Saturnists..the premise that the Earth was once in orbit around Saturn..then moved to its current address.

Some who follow Halton Arp join E.U...

many are just tired of vague answers to reasonable questions.
Carl Sagan ..*Super Greenhouse and other quotes just don't cut it anymore..allong with *Dark Matter etc.

Some who follow E.U. are like myself.
See Electrical flow in greater import of working..as a medium..as a catalyst.

My personal interest in posting E.U. links and article excerpts is to invite others to go seek for themselves....draw their own conclusions.

Wal is not the only forwarder I visit...theirs individuals at Goddard...EX and current JPL/NASA types who chat E.U. on the internet on forums.
I have collected PDF H1 assays from Aricebo..with Electrical continuity comment concerning background ...comment on Redshift that leans toward Halton Arp.
As mentioned in some posts..I ran a CNC Plasma gantry..underwater cut..steel and alloy on huge scale.
Nitrogen and Cryo nitrogen base.
did ultrasound testing....X,ray..and welding.

E.U. makes sense to me....yet I do not totally discard *Gravity.
Victor Clube of Armagh observatory and his partners forward *catastrophism as a catylist sequencer in our Solar system.
Nasa has regressed debrie trains and forwarded hypothesis that one or more moons has fragmented in times past.
Nasa even admits Mars had a different orbital configuration in times past.

Today..went googling to refresh on orbitor Galileo.
so ya..Galileo passed to close to IO and got Radiation..then encured chip damage in its computer.

Others comment that Galileo's onboard system wheir damaged by electrical current..which is flowing between Jupiter and Io....5 Million Amphere's I believe the recorded figure.

Each swing by ..by our orbitors only sustains the Electrical reality at work in planets and output of electricity.

You can google on Neptune and Uranus and get all kinds of varied data assay's and depth measures.
yet both have nearly liquid metal slurry's inside whirling at great speed with offset magnetic axis's.

Their is the resonance debate...how many worlds are *capture..which directs debate concerning the accretion disc theory.

E.U. is sure to be wrong at many points.

Its a new construct....I'm comfortable...I'm in for the long haul.
Velikovsky was mocked to derision by the academic.
yet his perception of Catastrophism driving change on worlds..and causing planetary movement is not so stupid after all.

Our Sun/Solar system porpoises up and down the galactic plain.
We are presently some 8 degree's above the dense mid Galactic plain.
For some great length of time our Sun was inside a Spiral Arm of Orion..we are presently just above the inner edge of the spiral arm....having passed thru a disintegrating Giant Molecular Cloud...the young Blue Stars of the Gould belt..part of the disintegrating GMC.

Passage thru boundry zones such as these forward the possibility of energy exchange..gravametric distortions.....bombardment episodes.
From the revision drafts I have read from Arecibo..to NASA/JPL forwards....we are still learning.

we live in a time of revision and awe.
I will enjoy it..and stand with Velikovsky,Clube,Napier..Arp and others......even sarcastic Thornhill : )

170 posted on 07/01/2004 12:20:06 AM PDT by Light Speed
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