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"Disappearing" Urban Crime
A Different Drummer ^ | 30 June 2004 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 06/30/2004 5:42:56 AM PDT by mrustow

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To: Grampa Dave

Here in El Paso they boast of practically no crime ---- yet even in the upscale neighborhoods, people have iron bars on every window and door, high fences, security system, car alarms plus anti-theft bars over steering wheels --- sure a lot of money being thrown away in crime protection devices if crime rate is really low. Property crime is very very high but the figures are twisted.


61 posted on 06/30/2004 11:38:56 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: MissAmericanPie
I wonder if this means you can go ahead and shoot your mugger/attacker in the shin and get a free pass? Prolly not.

As you suggested, somehow the rules are different for law-abiding citizens. In NYC, gun-grabbing Mayor Bloomberg, who is surrounded at all times by heavily-armed, taxpayer-funded, NYPD bodyguards, has instituted "gun courts" for the vigorous prosecution of citizens caught with unlicensed firearms (as opposed to those who use guns to commit crimes). Bloomy thinks it's crazy for anyone to be carrying a gun. Whereas in the past, most illegal possession busts resulted in probation, now most men (not ladies) caught with illegal weapons who did not commit a crime with them, are going to prison for an average of one year. And in NYC, it's almost impossible for anyone who isn't a multi-millionaire, a celebrity, or an ex-cop to get a pistol permit.

62 posted on 06/30/2004 12:09:27 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Faraday

My pleasure.


63 posted on 06/30/2004 12:10:23 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Why was I pinged?

Because I've been pinging you for years. Why did you suddenly ask that question now? And why would I ping you for years, and then exclude you from a chance to see one of the most important articles I've ever posted?

Does more than one person use your handle? Did you inherit the username?

64 posted on 06/30/2004 12:13:37 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: mrustow

I didn't know that. Because I saw no direct connection between me and the topic. I don't know. No. No.

That should answer all your questions, in order.


65 posted on 06/30/2004 12:54:48 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Badeye
A decade of mandatory sentencing has reduced crime to almost acceptable levels.

Almost.

Keep that in mind next time you hear somebody suggest the mandatory sentencing laws should be "relaxed".

Will do. Which state are you in? (Do mandatory sentencing laws obtain in all of the states?)

66 posted on 06/30/2004 2:45:10 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Grampa Dave
I know that this happens. In a N California Community about 10 years ago,there was an incredible increase of stolen autos and breakins to steal radios. It was a gang of juveniles whose parents were illegal aliens.

What town was that?

67 posted on 06/30/2004 2:47:28 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Alamo-Girl

Sure thing!


68 posted on 06/30/2004 2:51:41 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: mrustow

Bump for later read.....


69 posted on 06/30/2004 3:51:07 PM PDT by mickie
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To: mickie

Bumpbackatcha!


70 posted on 06/30/2004 4:12:47 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: All

Not to shock any of my fellow New Yorkers but John Vliet Lindsay once did something good. He saw that Precinct Commanders were underreporting (downgrading) crimes, because the were graded on the amount of crime in their precincts, so he changed the grading standards to end that practice. Crime then took an apparent jump upwards in New York. Go figure.

Sounds like they slid back into bogus reporting.


71 posted on 06/30/2004 4:25:29 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Not to shock any of my fellow New Yorkers but John Vliet Lindsay once did something good. He saw that Precinct Commanders were underreporting (downgrading) crimes, because the were graded on the amount of crime in their precincts, so he changed the grading standards to end that practice. Crime then took an apparent jump upwards in New York. Go figure.

Sounds like they slid back into bogus reporting.

(Muttering in his beer) "Rrrrrrr. Everyone knows ^&*@+=# Lindsay never did anything right."

Having taken my heart medicine and replaced the keyboard I ripped out and threw through the window, I would now like to know your sources for Lindsay's alleged non-mistake. Note that I said "sources"; anything positive about Lindsay requires multiple sourcing.

72 posted on 06/30/2004 4:38:44 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: mrustow
(Muttering in his beer) "Rrrrrrr. Everyone knows ^&*@+=# Lindsay never did anything right."

Well, if it can snow in April...

Having taken my heart medicine and replaced the keyboard I ripped out and threw through the window, I would now like to know your sources for Lindsay's alleged non-mistake. Note that I said "sources"; anything positive about Lindsay requires multiple sourcing.

What is this Wagnerian drama? What is that Beame in your eye?

Sorry, but I'm working from memory. Now let me tell you you about Jimmy Walker...

73 posted on 06/30/2004 5:25:35 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
What is this Wagnerian drama? What is that Beame in your eye?

ROTFLMAO

I'm no fan of Wagner's Term Cycle, especially The Third Term: The DeSapio Sacrifice. And the Beame had been in my eye for so long, I'd forgotten it was there!

74 posted on 06/30/2004 5:59:28 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: mrustow
What makes you think the cost of drugs would ever go down so low?

If drugs were legalized, their price would collapse. Do you think that marijuana or cocaine plants are fragile or difficult to cultivate? Without governmental restrictions, cocaine would cost approximately the same to manufacture and import as other tropical organic products such as sugar. Hence my price of $3.69/lb. for Colombian cocaine. Hopeless addicts could overdose to death, but they could do it on a McDonald's wage.

75 posted on 06/30/2004 6:16:30 PM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (Forgot the taste of bread? Ate only meat? Gollum invented the Atkins diet.)
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To: Grampa Dave; mrustow
"The worse under reporting out here on the West Coast seems to be the lack of reporting sexual predators in college/university communities."

And if it is homosexual, then "it's not a crime, it's only their nature."

76 posted on 06/30/2004 9:21:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (There are thousands of men of higher moral character than Hanoi John Kerry waiting on Death Row)
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To: PawPaw2

Had the same experience, thieves broke a screw driver off in the ignition. Unable to get the car, they took everything in the car. The police decided the only crime was the theft of the micro cassette recorder and the organizer I had foolishly left on the seat.
Ossifer Friendly decided I left the car unlocked. Aside from the insult to my honesty and intelligence the worst thing was losing 20 years of addresses and personal info in the address book.


77 posted on 06/30/2004 10:12:33 PM PDT by skepsel
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To: mrustow

I'm in Ohio.


78 posted on 07/01/2004 4:35:32 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: editor-surveyor
"The worse under reporting out here on the West Coast seems to be the lack of reporting sexual predators in college/university communities."

And if it is homosexual, then "it's not a crime, it's only their nature."

Things have been so bad for so long in that regard, that even in Milwaukee ten or more years ago, when one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims, a naked, little, underaged Vietnamese boy (13 or 14 y.o., I believe) escaped from Dahmer, and ran to police, instead of rescuing him, they handed him back to Dahmer, who proceeded to murder and cannibalize him. Dahmer told them it was just a "lover's spat," and so, rather than do their job, the cops handcuffed themselves, because it was "a gay thing," and they were afraid of the gay lobby.

79 posted on 07/01/2004 9:37:50 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Badeye

Thanks.


80 posted on 07/01/2004 9:38:29 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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