[ksen]

Too many folks run around acting as if the Founders never intended for national security issues to allow curtailment of rights. And that simply isn't true.

Ok, and where did the Founders ever say that they believed there were situations where our inalienable rights, as codified in the Bill of Rights, could be alienated?

[dirtboy]

Ok, and where did the Founders ever say that they believed there were situations where our inalienable rights, as codified in the Bill of Rights, could be alienated?

Once again, I am addressing a claim in the article:

In fact, it is common to hear both our elected officials and citizens state rather bluntly that it’s time to relinquish some of our freedoms in order to feel more secure. This kind of sentiment was completely foreign to those who founded this country.

I am saying that claim is false, as witnessed by Article 1, Section 9. If you think the Patriot Act is a serious infringement of rights, then make your case - but realize that the typical sound-byte points uttered by the alarmists aren't going to cut it here. And offer concrete proposals as to what is good, bad, and ugly, and how to fix things, or else you're just making noise.

[cinFLA]

Quit trying to hijack this thread.