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To: hocndoc
The fact of the necessity of destruction of one human's right not to be killed (or 400,000 humans' if all the frozen human embryos are used), for the hypothetical possibility of benefit to another person or persons is absolutely unethical.

What is going to happen to the embryos? Will they stay frozen for eternity? I don't get it. What should happen to them?

I don't know of any precedent for the approval of such research or application of research, do you?

I think new precedents are set in medicine all the time. What about the first time an organ was used on someone else? What about the first time a vacine was used? Why can't todays doctors and scientists set precedent?

34 posted on 06/29/2004 12:56:49 PM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: raybbr

The precedent is the deliberate action to kill (the scientific literature uses the term "destroy") the embryonic human for the purpose of research and possible benefit of others. There is no approved precedent for these sorts of actions. The medical and scientific community for the most part, has rejected the findings and use of the results of Mengele's experiments and the Tuskegee experiments. It is currently illegal to use US Federal funds to act to destroy human embryos and the European Union and the Nuremberg Code have uniformly condemned any use of non-competent humans in experiments that have no hope of benefit for the research subjects. Parents may not ethically consent for their living children to be used in even harmless experiments if there is no hope for the individual child's health to be improved. None of these ethical codes and none of the laws of Western nations will allow for one human to be killed for the benefit of another.

If this line is crossed, there is no reason to condemn China for picking certain prisoners for use as organ donores or for picking specific people to become prisoners for the purpose of using them for organ donors.

It does not matter that the embryos are frozen, the fact that they are humans, and that they will not benefit - even without the inevitable, intentional loss of their lives.

The ones who caused them to be and then who caused them to be frozen should be held to the same standard as any other parent or guardian. At the very least, "First, do no harm." If nothing else, they should be maintained in the freezer until natural death.


38 posted on 06/29/2004 1:21:39 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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