Posted on 06/28/2004 9:09:55 AM PDT by ijcr
Edited on 07/12/2004 3:42:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
BOWLING GREEN, Va. -- Lawyer and part-time cattle farmer John F. Ames got off on the wrong foot with his new neighbors in the 1980s when he invoked a 17th-century law to compel them to pay for part of the fence around his 675-acre estate.
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Honestly, how can you argue with that?
I suppose I can understand it in theory, but being a woman myself I don't quite share his enthusiasm.
I think it's that whole JFK legacy...thing.
And you know how those New Englanders afflicted with 'affluenza' can be about their JFK.
Honestly, how can you argue with that?
He was actually quite funny, my wife never did figure out the bit about the vet and artificial insemination because of all the bleeps.
Point well taken. I'm gonna go throw up now. ;)
I wouldn't want to pay for the guy's fence, obscure 17th century law or not.
And the Supremes quite often don't find for the correct party, IMO.
Both of them perhaps are/were A holes. But surely it wasn't worth killing the guy for trying to retrieve his bull that busted through the fence.
Show me where I EVER said anyone should have been killed.
You keep leaving out the point that the "victim" continuously destroyed the lawyer's fence, thereby allowing his own cattle to "trespass" on the lawyer's property. The bull had nothing to do with the fence going down. Brooks himself bulldozed it down repeatedly.
Do yourself a favor; read the article. You're twisting the facts and leaving out the facts that don't fit your opinion.
I don't think it was as much enthusiasm as it was an appreciation for the female form. ;)
As you probably already know, since Kentucky was once a part of Virginia, they share a lot in the way their old laws read. So, I thought I would simply post a part of the KY Revised Statute concerning fences and cattle, just for the heck of it (note that a lot of the material dates back to 1780's.)
2.What if Bill Gates moves in and builds a 1000 dollar per foot fence around his spread, would all his neighbors have to share the fence costs?
3.If guns are outlawed, are you going to obey that one?
4. Are you a blind law follower no matter how absurd or outdated it might be?
1. There is nothing "archaic" about property rights law.... or property rights.
2. Yes, if that were the law of the state. Why should he pay the full cost of keeping your cattle off his property? A judge is quite capable of deciding how much it would cost you to build a normal fence for containing your cattle, and that would be something like your share of the Bill Gates' fence.
3. Why throw this apple in with this basket of oranges? It was Ames who used a gun to defend (he thinks) his property. Judge and jury will tell the rest of us, and him, if his supposition was correct. The law will deal with him fairly, one presumes, just as it dealt with neighbor Brooks in ordering him to pay for his share of the fence, and for later damaging it (as he admitted).
4. Until any law, old or not, is changed by duly elected and duly constituted bodies, it is your duty as an American citizen, to obey it. If you don't like it, you still have to obey it, and are free to argue against it, and of course you are also free to break it, and also quite free to pay any penalty involved with breaking it, if and when you are caught, or reported.
At this point, no one, especially on this site, knows ALL the facts of the homicide. I suggest we all take a tall cool one and wait and see what the jury has to say, if it gets to a jury.
I would be loath to take sides on this one, just yet.
What would I do?
I'm 46 and 220 and 6'5" .
If a 74 year old man came at me with either a cattle prod or "stick", I would probably disarm him and at worst whup him.
Were I armed and were he one badass 74 year old (unlikely Jack Palance is next door), I have the discipline and shooting skills to dispatch him without likely having to kill him....and I sure would not need 6 shots for either.
* it should be noted that I get on well with my neighbors..even the lefties ...and we all look out for one another and so far...no homicides....of course none of us have moved in and started extorting money from our neighbors exploiting ancient husbandry law and being general buttheads anyhow.
** and yes...I am not a stranger to violence and have negotiated no killing folks out of hand before in my life when things got hairy. Life is not always SWAT TEAM....especially with geriatrics...I could be wrong...maybe you live in a tuff hood full of old crusties armed with cattle prods and what not.
if so...pardon me..lol
BTW- people should try to read:
http://www.oz.net/~hollin/pages/cowkeepfencing.html
(Deals with Virginia and fences...)
GREAT post. Finally, a voice of reason.
yes ...we do not know every detail ASA, but that is hardly stopping the DuFarge brigade here from celebrating over an a$$hole killing cattle prod wielding granpa.
this must be the same crew that high fives when 20 SWAT jocks unload on a deranged person in the front yard armed with a butter knife.
nuts....some folks need killin no doubt, but in this case I sure don't see enough to justify dusting the old dude.
Then your mental discipline, focus, and shooting skills pretty much make you one in a million. What channel is your shooting show on?
Some arsewipe with a history of provoking his neighbors kills a pissed off 74 year old who was armed with a prod or stick...took 6 bullets (I assume a wheelgun).
I need more than that to make a hero out of Ames for me.
I never liked bullies...color me biased on this one.
Oh, then unless one has a shooting show on OLN, then they should always shoot first over property disputes?
especially with grandpa.
get back to me when the jury is done.
LOL...try again.
*damn some folks will celebrate killing anything for any reason.
** btw, if you can't shoot some old 74 year old geezer well enough to disable him when he is armed with his cattle prod or stick without dumping all 6 shots in him then maybe you ought to get theyself away from the keyboard and to the range.
I'm trying to figure out what thread you're reading. No one here is justifying killing a man over a fence. You need to calm down and read the thread a little closer. It's looking like you're just LOOKING for a reason to rant. Either that or A)you live in a parallel universe, or, B)you're just nuts.
After reading your post AND your tagine, you got me thinking that the Darvocet I took has some weird hallucinogenic properties...
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