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JOINTS ARE NO STRONGER THAN 25 YEARS AGO - EURO DRUG EXPERTS
UK Mirror ^ | 6/26/04 | Oonagh Blackman

Posted on 06/27/2004 6:18:16 PM PDT by wagglebee

THE average cannabis joint is no stronger than it was 25 years ago, say EU experts.

They have analysed official data from across the EU and concluded there have been no significant changes in cannabis potency.

Levels of the drug's active ingredient - D9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) - has remained virtually constant.

Cannabis resin (hashish) produced overseas comprised about 70 per cent of the UK market, with the rest being marijuana, around half of which was imported.

On the typical British joint, the report said: "The absence of any decline in the amount of herbal cannabis or resin used may suggest there has been no long-term increase in the THC content of the average cigarette." But scientists warned an increasing trend towards "home-grown" cannabis could lead to increased potency and subsequent health implications.

The European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction reported that the content of British reefers was constant at about 200 milligrams of herbal cannabis or 150mg of cannabis resin between 1979 and 2001.

But the scientists' research seemed to suggest that the "Camberwell Carrot" - a huge joint shown in the cult 1986 British film Withnail and I - has largely remained fiction rather than facy.

The experts concluded: "There is no evidence of a significant increase in potency."


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To: COBOL2Java

Where I come from that's a pinjoint. Somebody's holding out.


41 posted on 06/27/2004 7:53:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: Doc On The Bay
I tend to agree with you about the educational system despite your fascination with condoms.
42 posted on 06/27/2004 7:54:31 PM PDT by Durus
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To: Doc On The Bay

So you're saying that today's kids just feel more stoned because there's nothing much in their heads to soak up the pot?


43 posted on 06/27/2004 7:55:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: TigersEye
Basically, Yes; 'Kids Schooled 25 years ago AT LEAST KNEW Their Nation's History & the Basics of the Current Political Debate (& some Perspective Thereof)!

'Kids Schooled 25yrs ago AT LEAST knew their Nation's History (& It's relationship to--& Development From Other Nations)

'Kids Schooled 25 years ago understood the PROFOUND DIFFICULTIES that "America" overcame, & they were taught to have a "Sense of Perspective" about the Cultural Problems that created such place as Syria, Iran, & Iraq.

Our Current "Public Educational System" is nearly "Devoid of" "Historical Fact;" it is so "Infected With "PC,'" that our Children have "Tuned It Out!!"

Children detect "BS" better than Most of Us!

We owe our Children FAR Better than we have "Delivered" in our "Public School Systems!"

Doc

44 posted on 06/27/2004 8:25:47 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: All

Interesting. Well, I'd suspected as much for decades, just wasn't sure. Glad to know empirical, peer-reviewed, journal-published research confirms it wasn't just me. I feel a lot better now.


45 posted on 06/27/2004 9:02:38 PM PDT by timberlandko (Murphy was an optimist.)
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To: wagglebee
the cost of pot skyrockets

Do you have proof for this claim?

46 posted on 06/28/2004 6:46:05 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights

Just know what it cost when I was younger and I've heard what its costing now. What type of proof are you looking for?


47 posted on 06/28/2004 7:10:13 AM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee
Just know what it cost when I was younger and I've heard what its costing now.

Same here ... but the rise I'm aware of doesn't amount to "skyrocketing" and may not even have kept pace with inflation.

"Since 1992, [marijuana] price has fallen by 16 percent" - National Bureau of Economic Research

48 posted on 06/28/2004 7:21:18 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights

I would question the validity of that.


49 posted on 06/28/2004 7:22:53 AM PDT by wagglebee
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To: COBOL2Java

Big Banbo


50 posted on 06/28/2004 7:24:34 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: wagglebee
I would question the validity of that.

Feel free to post better numbers than those of the National Bureau of Economic Research.

51 posted on 06/28/2004 7:36:37 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: wagglebee
"Prices for commercial-grade marijuana have remained relatively stable over the past decade" - Drug Enforcement Administration
52 posted on 06/28/2004 7:40:02 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Doc On The Bay

Couldn't resist the urge to throw some warmed-over propaganda, though irrelevent, into this discussion?


53 posted on 06/28/2004 8:23:23 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Know your rights

When I was in high-school and early college (about 20 years ago), marijauna was selling for about $100/ounce. I've talked with kids today who are paying about 5 times that amount, this is not just inflationary. On the other hand, I haven't touched the stuff in about 14 years, so I really don't care what it costs.


54 posted on 06/28/2004 9:46:50 AM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Standard commercial Mexican still sells for $80 to $120 an ounce where I live. According to testimony I heard the other day narcotics officers are buying it all the time for $800 a pound now. People paying four or five hundred for an ounce of the expensive stuff generally have more money than they have brains. Even taking into account the fact that part of what you pay for with the cheap stuff is seeds that you'll throw away, the expensive stuff is almost never anywhere close to four or five times as potent as the average bag of Mexican. The 30% THC stuff you hear about is exceedingly rare if it exists at all. The average THC content of sinsemilla on the streets is between 12% and 14% depending on whose study you are reading. That's around twice the potency of plain old Mexican Brick weed.


55 posted on 06/28/2004 10:50:26 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz

Well the kids I talk to are pretty dumb (and have way too much $), so they probably are being ripped off.


56 posted on 06/28/2004 11:39:10 AM PDT by wagglebee
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To: Doc On The Bay

...ummmm... I forgot what I was going to reply...


57 posted on 06/28/2004 11:47:10 AM PDT by pageonetoo (Rights, what Rights'. You're kidding, right? This is Amerika!)
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To: wagglebee

We are around the same age except I might be a few years older than you. Pot cost around $100 an ounce by the early to mid eighties where I live too. But that was just for standard pot. You could probably find crummy homegrown shake for a good bit less back then, but there was also really expensive stuff around back then too. From what I hear some of sinsemilla is getting ridiculously expensive, but I can't imagine that it would be worth what it costs relative to the average commercial grade product. I think the really expensive stuff is a status symbol for a lot of these people. They call the regular stuff "schwag" and they're too good for it. I guess it's better than what was going on when I was in my late teens and early twenties. Back then pot in general was becoming the poor man's drug. Cocaine was the status symbol. Luckily that's changed somewhat.


58 posted on 06/28/2004 11:51:26 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: wagglebee

Oh, don't be ridiculous. I remember what it was like 25 years ago and it...uh...what was the question again?


59 posted on 06/28/2004 11:56:28 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: pageonetoo
An Appropriate answer when "Stoned!"

Doc

60 posted on 06/28/2004 5:24:37 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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