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Transport Aircraft Attacked-Baghdad Aiport-Unknown Number Of Wounded
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1274&storyid=1544058 ^

Posted on 06/27/2004 8:22:16 AM PDT by Fast5

Transport aircraft attacked

By Chris Tomlinson in Baghdad

June 28, 2004

A US Air Force C-130 transport plane was hit by small arms fire after taking off today from Baghdad International Airport, resulting in an unknown number of wounded, US officials said.

The aircraft took off at about 5:30pm (local time) and was hit about 22km west of the airport, the officials said on condition of anonymity. The aircraft returned to Baghdad airport and landed safely. Ambulances transported the wounded to hospital.

Pilots have in the past reported ground fire near the airport.

On January 8, a C-5 transport plane with 63 passengers and crew limped safely back Baghdad's airport after being hit by fire from insurgents.

In December, guerrillas hit a US Air Force C-17 transport plane with a surface-to-air missile shortly after it took off from Baghdad, causing the engine to explode. The plane returned to the airport and landed safely, with only one of the 16 people aboard slightly injured.

On November 23 a plane operated by the global package delivery service DHL was hit by a missile near Baghdad and was forced to make an emergency landing. There were no casualties.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; baghdad; bia; c130; iraq; raaf; usaf
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To: blam
link here

"As for what happens next, Abu Yussuf expected to be on the move today. Resistance commanders had ordered many fighters to transfer from the “Sunni triangle”, the hotbed of resistance west of Baghdad, into the capital during the handover of power.

Abu Yussuf showed me a device that he said had been taken from the Italians and allowed fighters to work out distances and angles so they could launch rockets with greater precision. A laptop opened to reveal the smiling faces of American soldiers, their arms around one another in the dining room of one of Saddam Hussein’s palaces.

The face that appeared in the most pictures was that of the soldier whose laptop this had been, Abu Yussuf said, and he was now dead. He vowed that there would be many more attacks after the handover.

Aerial photographs of Baghdad international airport flashed up on another screen and he talked of shooting down planes there"

21 posted on 06/27/2004 9:32:11 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: SheLion

Still, someone died. I wonder why this article says it is a US Air Force plane.

For the disclaimer: This is complete guess work, probably complete bunk, and I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Ok, say the plane has a takeoff speed of 130 knots or so, by the time they get to 14 miles out I'm guessing they'd be around 250 kts (wild guess). An averaged speed of 180 would take them about 4 or 5 minutes to get to 14 miles out. Using a climb rate of around 1500 fpm, they would have been about 5000-7500 feet up. What small arms could reach that?


22 posted on 06/27/2004 9:35:12 AM PDT by kenth
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To: MarMema

Wow, I read this thread and forgot all about this.

Still am unclear on how the person on the transport died. Would like to find out how much damage the aircraft sustained.


23 posted on 06/27/2004 9:40:29 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Lijahsbubbe
Well I am the farthest thing from a military expert but it does sound like they used small arms in this story, and the thread I posted from was about some kind of missile gadget?

But you would think they are lining up to target the airport, and is this because lots of our military will be leaving when we turn over control? So much I don't know...

24 posted on 06/27/2004 9:45:51 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

Yeah, I thought the same thing when I saw the title of the post.


25 posted on 06/27/2004 9:52:11 AM PDT by watchin (Democratic Party - the political wing of the IRS)
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To: MarMema
But you would think they are lining up to target the airport, and is this because lots of our military will be leaving when we turn over control?

Good point. Prayers for our troops.

26 posted on 06/27/2004 9:56:32 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: kenth
Using a climb rate of around 1500 fpm,

Most web sites say 1900 ft/min, others range from 1700 to 2100 (Lockheed uses the 2100 number)ft/min.

Time to 6100 m - 12 minutes.

Data here: http://www.lmaeronautics.com/products/airmobility/c-130/specs.html

27 posted on 06/27/2004 9:57:09 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: kenth
This is complete guess work, probably complete bunk, and I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Usually it's unassuming people like yourself who come the closest to being correct.

28 posted on 06/27/2004 9:58:37 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

The C-130 would still be low on the deck in a combat takeoff. The pilot would firewall the throttle and jink to throw off any SAM locks from the ground. It exposes you to ground fire, however. A tradeoff that needs to be made.


29 posted on 06/27/2004 10:06:14 AM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Proud Member of the Reagan Republicans)
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To: All

One killed in fired-upon plane
27/06/2004 - 17:35:50

A US Air Force C-130 transport plane was hit by small arms fire after taking off from Baghdad International Airport today, killing at least one person aboard.

The aircraft was struck about 12 miles west of the airport, US officials said. The aircraft returned to Baghdad airport and landed safely.

Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt, coalition deputy operations chief, confirmed the attack but did not specify the exact location.

He said that “one of the personnel” aboard was wounded and later died. He did not say how many people were on the plane.

Pilots have in the past reported ground fire near the airport.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2004/06/27/story154444.html


30 posted on 06/27/2004 10:08:54 AM PDT by Fast5
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To: Fast5

Hmmm...wonder if the "small arms fire" came from WITHIN the aircraft itself??


31 posted on 06/27/2004 10:12:08 AM PDT by FReepaholic (War On Terror: If not us, who? If not now, when?)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
The C-130 would still be low on the deck in a combat takeoff

Thanks for the info. This is why one should never fly in a combat zone, just nuke'em! ;-)

Former Sgt.
US Army
1/81 FA Pershing Missile

32 posted on 06/27/2004 10:16:12 AM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (Some parts of the world are filled with scum)
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To: Fast5
FoxNews now reporting that the plane is not USAF, but is from a foreign nation.

BAGHDAD, Iraq — A senior U.S. military official tells FOX News that a transport plane hit by small arms fire after taking off Sunday from Baghdad (search) was not an American plane, but rather belonged to a foreign nation.

At least one person was killed in the attack.

The aircraft took off at approximately 5:30 p.m. and was struck about 12 miles west of the airport, the officials said on condition of anonymity. It returned to Baghdad International Airport (search) and landed safely.

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, coalition deputy operations chief, confirmed the attack but did not specify the exact location. Kimmitt told AP that "one of the personnel" aboard was wounded and later died. He did not say how many people were on the plane.

Pilots have in the past reported ground fire near the airport, located on the capital's western edge.

On Jan. 8, a C-5 transport plane with 63 passengers and crew limped safely back Baghdad's airport after being struck by fire from insurgents.

In December, guerrillas hit a U.S. Air Force C-17 transport plane with a surface-to-air missile shortly after it took off from Baghdad, causing the engine to explode. The plane returned to the airport and landed safely, with only one of the 16 people aboard slightly injured.

Link here.

33 posted on 06/27/2004 10:16:41 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Shop smart. Shop S-Mart...)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
Prayers for our troops.

Amen. And this is off-topic but we should have a prayer thread for President Bush as he approaches his visit to Turkey. I am kind of worried for this trip. What do you think?

34 posted on 06/27/2004 10:17:46 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

I have heard others express their concern for Bush's trip to Turkey.

I don't pray for him often enough. Thanks for the reminder!


35 posted on 06/27/2004 10:21:49 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Fast5
22 killometers is 13.67017 miles

I think they are talking distance from the airport as i dont think small arms can go 13 miles but i may be wrong !

36 posted on 06/27/2004 10:24:46 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK ("In America, our origins matter less than our destinations, and that is what democracy is all about")
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To: Fast5

Iraq will be an open wound for years and years....


37 posted on 06/27/2004 10:27:50 AM PDT by traumer
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To: SheLion
Fox said it wasn't one of our planes. ~whew.......So it merits a "whew" if someone dies on a plane belonging to one of our allies? I hope I am misunderstanding your comment. Could you explain?
38 posted on 06/27/2004 10:39:18 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: traumer

sounds like many parts of our own country.


39 posted on 06/27/2004 10:49:35 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: tscislaw
Wonder if the "small arms fire" came from WITHIN the aircraft itself??

That's interesting. Like the grenade tossed into a tent months ago.

40 posted on 06/27/2004 11:07:21 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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