Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Patton Legend: How It Started and Grew
Army Magazine ^ | July 04 | Martin Blumenson

Posted on 06/25/2004 8:31:46 PM PDT by xzins

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-113 next last
To: xzins
Two other Patton tales.

He grew up on a ranch in California and his childhood schooling was sparse. At West Point his first year marks in academic subjects were so weak that he could not be advanced to a second year cadet. The Commandant however thought he saw something in Patton, so he offered him the opportunity to repeat his Pleb year. Patton did so, suffering not only the usual humiliations of a first year cadet, but also torment by his former classmates, more than a few of which had been rubbed the wrong way by his ego.

General George C. Marshall placed an age limit on Generals going overseas into combat theatres in WWII, and no one over that age sailed unless he personally gave them a waiver. Patton was one he he allowed to go, even though he was pushing 60. When Marshall gave Patton his first big command -- an armored division I think -- it was a unit in training slotted to go to Europe. Several officers in Washington questioned this move because they though Patton, although talented, wasn't a team player and would cause more trouble than he was worth. Marshall told them: "Don't worry. I know how handle Patton."

Sure enough within a few weeks complaints poured in that Patton wasn't working well with others and was trying to rearrange the entire Army's training schedule for his convenience. Marshall sent a telegram to Patton telling him that he was relieved, but not telling him to report anywhere else and not appointing a new commander. Within minutes of the telegram going out Patton was on the telephone trying to defend his actions. Marshall told his secretary to tell Patton that he was not available -- and continued to not be available for three days while Patton sweated. Finally on the third day he relented and took Patton's call. By this point Patton was contrite and instead of trying to defend his actions or explain his conduct he merely said: "G@@ damnit George, I've learned my lesson. I'll be good." Marshall told him he had his command back, then turned to and aide and said: "THAT is how you handle Patton."

81 posted on 06/26/2004 5:58:51 AM PDT by Pilsner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Romulus

I would recommend this book. I listened to it on Books On Tape.

82 posted on 06/26/2004 6:00:30 AM PDT by csvset
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: Pilsner

Great stories.

Thanks.


83 posted on 06/26/2004 6:02:16 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: xzins; Old Sarge; Valin; Matthew James
Anyone near Ft Knox, Kentucky absolutely must visit the Patton Museum on post. It is the best military museum I've ever run across, and it is dedicated to Patton memorabilia.

Currently there is a large display of Elvis memorbilia at the Patton Museum. The wife of the Ft Knox CG, MG Terry Tucker, is a Elvis fan and helped arrange for his uniforms and other items to be placed there on loan from other museums and Graceland. The Patton Museum recently received a large sum of money from several sources, it is a private museum not receiving anything from the Army, that will allow it to expand to about 3 times the current size. This expansion will still not be large enough to allow for display of all the equipment on hand. There are two buildings in one of the motor pools on Ft Knox that are virtually crammed to the ceiling with items for display. I hope to see this all completed in the next two or three years.

84 posted on 06/26/2004 6:06:57 AM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: BluH2o
The term "blood and guts" Patton had a very real meaning to his troops ... they were the ones spilling the "blood and guts"

True but in lower quantities than otherwise would have been the case. In the long run, less blood is spilled by advancing aggressively against the enemy. It's unfortunate to have been one of the men whose blood and guts were spilled under Pattons command, under different command, more would have been spilled. It's one of those counter-intuitive aspects of warfare.

85 posted on 06/26/2004 6:08:38 AM PDT by fso301
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: xzins
George Patton Speech

86 posted on 06/26/2004 6:09:30 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Call me the Will Rogers voter: I never met a Democrat I didn't like - to vote OUT OF POWER !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SLB

The Patton Museum also sits inside a very impressive park with various antique armor, artillery, and mech infantry vehicles on display.

Hearing about the upgrade of the museum, I'll be back in a few years to see it, (TGLW).


87 posted on 06/26/2004 6:11:32 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 84 | View Replies]

To: xzins

The witnesses were more than impressed by the officer who carried on stoically despite bleeding like a stuck pig. The story made its rounds as it flashed through the barracks, gaining increasingly lurid details. But the overriding thought was: here was a leader one could count on when the going got rough.

...His trademarks for soldiers -- cleanliness, discipline and military courtesy -- were more than apparent in camp. His soldiers adored him. With high morale, they were anxious and eager to fight, to move forward aggressively and to close with the enemy. They performed exceptionally well when they were committed to battle.

Thanks for the post, xzins.

A TRUE honorable legacy, not just a legend - worth remembering as a nation, emulating as a Soldier. 

Our public education system needs a regime change - or a few Pattons.


88 posted on 06/26/2004 6:13:24 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xzins

Get the book - "The Pattons" I have read almost every book on Patton and consider that the best. you have no idea about the history of the family. Did you know his aunt was almost married to Black Jack Pershing???

Anyway, Patton understood that it is kill or be killed and that the only way for a war to end is when one of the two parties is defeated, hopefully the other guy. Additionally, Patton understood fear. That is why he slapped the guy in Sicily. Experts, after the war, have said that striking someone is a way to break someone out of a mental block or phobia.

Although Patton had his shortcomings, I consider him to be one of the most brutually honest military figures in our history. When looking at our present day Generals, it is a shame what guts and toughness we have lost. Although the grunts and gi's of today are superb, the top brass are pitiful.


89 posted on 06/26/2004 6:14:45 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - Gen. George S. Patton)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 79 | View Replies]

To: chris1

Having spent an entire career in the military as an army chaplain, I can assure you that we do have our fair share of politician/officers. YET....there are those there who are warrior/officers in the tradition of Patton/Jackson/Grant/Lee/MacArthur/etc. who understand that winning the war, and winning it overwhelmingly and with finality, is THE POINT.


90 posted on 06/26/2004 6:23:02 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: xzins

It just seems to me, a lay citizen who wants to see overwhelming and total victory, that our generals, and too an extent even the President, is not committed to total victory, without apology or compromise.

As a patriotic citizen, I would like to hear our leaders commited to destroying the enemy and all its reminents.


91 posted on 06/26/2004 6:27:47 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - Gen. George S. Patton)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: csvset; cardinal4

I listened to it as well, csvset. I found it fascinating, especially the incident in the trenches in France in 1918. He was with Gen. MacArthur during an enemy artillery barrage. A shell landed near them, but did not explode. What would the outcome of WW2 have been had that shell taken out those two?


92 posted on 06/26/2004 6:29:01 AM PDT by Ax (Ever notice that we say "Judeo-Christian...." and never "Judeo-Christian-Islamic...?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies]

To: chris1; All
One of my neighbors was once married to a man named Patton. They had a daughter and were divorced shortly thereafter. Even though he lives in the same town, Mr. Patton has had less than an hour's contact with his daughter since the divorce ten years ago.

This young lady is incredible. In high school, she was involved in ROTC and received a full, four year Marine scholarship to college (only one is given out per state per year). She has placed first and second in statewide orienteering contests. She is spending her first summer away from college with the Marines - one week on a ship, one week on a nuclear sub, one week at Camp Lejune, etc.

Years ago, her father mentioned they were descendants of Gen. Patton. Because he has a new family now, he has cut all contact with his "old" daughter. At the request of the young lady's mother, I have spend considerable time searching the internet for a family tree of Gen. Patton to verify the father's claim. So far I have been unsuccessful in finding any list of descendants of the General. Any suggestions where I might find this information will be greatly appreciated.
93 posted on 06/26/2004 6:33:00 AM PDT by Quilla (God bless America, President George W. Bush, our brave troops, and Freepers everywhere.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: BluH2o
I've known soldiers who served with him and their impression of Patton aren't quite so glowing.

One of my favorite uncles was very proud to have served in the Third Army and practically worshiped Patton.

I was only a young boy at the time, but I was so impressed by his respect and admiration for the General that it has stuck with me all these years.

94 posted on 06/26/2004 6:44:25 AM PDT by iconoclast
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: xzins
wonder what Gen Patton would be encouraging about the War on Terror and the Iraqi Campaign within that war?

attack

95 posted on 06/26/2004 6:51:55 AM PDT by alrea
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: alrea

:>)

Precisely!

He'd want to go after Syria, Lebanon, Iran, and Saudi.


96 posted on 06/26/2004 7:00:17 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 95 | View Replies]

To: alrea
"wonder what Gen Patton would be encouraging about the War on Terror and the Iraqi Campaign within that war?
... attack."

And continue to attack.

97 posted on 06/26/2004 7:05:05 AM PDT by norton
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 95 | View Replies]

To: Publius
Robert Heinlein's "Future History", which he started in the 1940's, had Patton serving two terms as president.

Thanks for the title. I figured somebody had already come up with that idea.

98 posted on 06/26/2004 7:19:22 AM PDT by mass55th
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: xzins
What? No mention of Patton at VMI?

Legend has it that he was kicked out of school in his Rat (freshman) year for riding a horse up to the 3rd or 4th stoop.

FYI: The Oscar that "Patton" won for Best Picture is at VMI

99 posted on 06/26/2004 7:19:57 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Diversity Kills)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xzins

I have a few good stories about George Patton III. He was a little short on filling his dads shoes, but he tried and IMHO did a fairly decent job.

I was an instructor in the Armor School in 1972 when he was the Assistant Commandant as a BG. One day I was teaching a class on adjusting the throttle, shift and steering linkage on an M110 howitzer. The students were all setting on the front slope of the howitzer and I was on the ground facing them. Suddenly I noticed them staring at something behind me. I turned around and there was Patton, standing about two feet behind me. Before I could say anything, he told me something like "Good job sergeant, that's what I like to hear, good instruction with no BS going on. Carry on" and was gone. He was good at just popping in and out at will.

Another story - this was the draw down from Vietnam and most of the soldiers were going to Germany. He made another unannounced visit one day to one of our classes, asking them if they had any beefs with the Army. "None of that FTA BS, but real beefs." One private raised his hand and was recognized. He told Patton he wanted to go to Vietnam, but had orders for Germany. Patton turned to our senior instructor and told him to get the man's name. Two days later the soldier had orders revoking Germany and sending him to Vietnam.


100 posted on 06/26/2004 7:47:47 AM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 83 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-113 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson