Posted on 06/25/2004 9:58:18 AM PDT by dead
Sen. John Kerry talks about his four months in Vietnam it's a centerpiece of his presidential campaign but there's one thing he won't talk about: the day he killed a Vietcong soldier at close range and earned a Silver Star.
"It's a key part of him," said a Kerry friend. "It was a pivotal moment in his life. But he doesn't talk about it."
Added another source close to Kerry, "it's the reason he gets so angry when his patriotism is challenged. It was a traumatic experience that's still with him, and he went through it for his country." It affects the way Kerry lives his life every day, the source said, since "he knows he very well would not be alive today had he not taken the life of another man [he] never ever met."
In past interviews, Kerry has responded vaguely to questions about how he earned the medal. "You know, I got it surviving, I guess, is the best way to put it," Kerry told CBS' 60 Minutes, adding: "I just am not comfortable going into the story."
When asked by Univision if he had to kill somebody, Kerry answered: "It is a matter of record, what I did in Vietnam. And over the months that I was in combat, yes, we know that we were responsible for the loss of enemy lives. But that's war."
He would not acknowledge the impact this had on him. "Well, I think it affects anybody who carries a gun in another country, shooting at other human beings," he said of the incident. "Unless you're insensitive, it has an impact on you."
Even his family has not heard much about the incident. His daughter Vanessa, 27, told MTV News that when she was growing up her father told her the enemy ran away. She only learned the truth as an adult, she said.
Since Kerry will not talk about the day he killed a man, four of Kerry's crewmates from the Navy Swift boat he commanded sat down with Nightline to try to explain what happened, though not one was eager to revisit the events of that day.
A Dangerous Mission
They had been on a mission that sent Navy Swift boats deep into enemy territory.
"We were in ambushes and firefights, you know, one, two, three, four times a day," recalled Del Sandusky, Kerry's second in command on PCF94. "And we'd be on patrol for a day or two, sometimes on a special operation. Sometimes just on a regular patrol up and down the river. But mostly, it was special op."
It was dangerous duty. "Going in a river, you know, the enemy hears you. He knows you're coming. You don't know where he is," recalled gunner David Alston.
Being on the water added to the danger, according to crewmember Gene Thorson. "When you got a 50-foot boat, and you go up 18 feet high from the water up, you're nothing but a floating target," he said.
A Bad Day
Feb. 28, 1969, was a day that started out badly and got much worse. Kerry and his crewmates were given a mission to take their Swift boat up a canal off the Bay Hap River, surrounded by thick mangrove brush and many, many Vietcong. There were two ambushes.
"I guess we had gotten 800 yards or 1,000 yards at the most," recalled crewmate Fred Short. "And this time, another B-40 rocket hit, and maybe a couple more. But this one was close aboard. It blew the windows out of the crew cabin. I see out of a spider hole a Vietcong stand up dressed in a loin cloth, holding a B-40 rocket."
"Charlie would have lit us up like a Roman candle because we're full of fuel, we're full of ammunition," said Sandusky.
Protocol at the time would be for Kerry's Swift boat to fire to shore and then take evasive action. But Kerry ordered Sandusky, his second-in-command, to drive the boat onto the beach directly into the ambush.
"I knew right away that, you know, uh-oh, we're in the doo-doo now," Sandusky said. "But, yeah, I knew you know, John was intent. You know: 'We got to go and get this guy.' There was no way we were going to back down off the beach."
Alston recalled: "I know when John Kerry told Del to beach that damn boat, this was a brand-new ball game. We wasn't running. We took it to Charlie."
They saw their enemy up close, Short noted. "I would say he was so close that I could see that he had a mustache, a very weak mustache, that he was growing. I could see the mustache on his face. And things were going slow-motion now, because you feel you were, you know, this is really getting scary."
Things almost went against the sailors. "He needed like, 25, 30 yards to arm that rocket, all right," Sandusky said, "and as we beached, he could not aim it at us. So he got up out of the spider hole, started running."
Tommy Belodeau was manning the boat's M-60 machine gun, Short said. "Tommy in the pit tank winged him in the side of the legs as he was coming across," he said. "But the guy didn't miss stride. I mean, he did not break stride."
Kerry assessed their options quickly, according to Sandusky. "John sized up the situation and realized that once Tommy had started shooting at the guy and wounded him in the leg, you know, that this was the only course of action you know, John was going to chase this guy down and kill him. 'Cause if he didn't, we were all dead."
The man was still running down a path when they got to the bank. Kerry, Belodeau and Michael McDarris, in hot pursuit, saw the Vietcong soldier. Short recalled: "The guy was getting ready to stand up with a rocket on his shoulder, coming up. And Mr. Kerry took him out he would have been about a 30-yard shot. Which, we were dead in the water up on the bank, point blank. If he missed us, he would have to, you know there's no way he could miss us. He could've thrown a rock and taken me out."
The others agreed that it was a close call. "If this guy would have got up, and he had a clear shot at us, we would have been history," Thorson said. "Wouldn't have been no doubt about it."
"If that RPG had exploded in the pilot house or anywhere in that area," Short said, "we were toast."
A Difficult Burden
Kerry and Mike Medeiros searched the soldier's corpse, confiscated the rocket launcher and returned to the boat. Kerry did not talk to the crew about what he had just done. But for a Navy man, killing a man face-to-face was unusual.
"We usually didn't see Charlie," Sandusky explained. "So, to do an actual event like John did, you know, he never came back and displayed any symptoms or signs of problems that it bothered him. But I know it would have bothered me, you know, to do that actual, you know, kill a man, face-to-face."
Short added: "When you're close enough to see him, to count the whiskers on their face, to be that close to someone, it becomes very personal. And that would affect anyone, I would suspect."
Kerry refuses to discuss in public how that event shook him and shaped him. And his crew will not betray matters he has told them in confidence about that moment.
Back at the base in An Thoi, Kerry's commander said half tongue-in-cheek he didn't know whether banking the boat and chasing down the Vietcong soldier merited Kerry a medal or a court-martial.
But days later in Saigon, Kerry was awarded the Silver Star for valor by Vice Admiral Elmo Zeumwald, the commander of Naval forces in Vietnam.
Only weeks later, Kerry earned a Bronze Star for saving a Green Beret while wounded and under sniper fire. He also earned his third Purple Heart, which at the time meant he could be transferred home.
It wasn't until 1996 that he even talked to many of his crew again. He was in the midst of a tough Senate re-election contest, and a Boston Globe columnist questioned the circumstances under which Kerry was awarded his Silver Star, wondering how much of a threat a wounded Vietcong could really have posed.
Called by the campaign to defend their former officer, the crew immediately flew to Boston to defend his actions, saying they owed him their lives.
Kerry's response that day, visceral in his emotions, vague in the details of what he went through, is pretty close to his reaction to attacks on his service today.
"This was a firefight, life or death," he said. "And it was that way every single day. And for some desk jockey who wants to come in, who hasn't seen a firefight in his life, to try to say that, that is just wrong."
Kerry's crewmates have experienced a wide variety of post-war reactions, ranging from alcoholism and post-traumatic stress disorder to normal acclimation in society. Kerry himself, by all accounts, has dealt with his demons, though both his first and current wives have spoken about the Vietnam ghosts that cause him nightmares.
Killing that Vietcong soldier was a necessary action, Kerry's crewmates believe. It also is one that has left a mark on the senator whose precise effect we may never fully understand.
Maybe he wrote a poem about it to express his feelings.
The number of times we see these stories is inversely proportional to the drop in Kerry's poll #s.
His patriotism is challenged because he is not a patriot.
He is a traitor.
Whoever it was who said "patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels" sure had it right......
Any USN types here experienced in patrol protocol?
I've read in a couple of places that beaching his boat was a big mistake, and that he should have be reprimanded for putting his boat and crew in a tactically poor position. Something about the boat losing all advantage when it's beached and immobile.
Anyone else heard this or know where it was printed?
Uh huh, and Benedict Arnold was a real hero, before he was a traitor.
He took out one Viet Cong. But then he came home and joined another army that was working to give aid and comfort to the enemy and to defeat America. He and his Leftist cohorts succeeded. By his twisted logic, this is "patriotism." He did more harm than good.
What if there had been other enemy hiding? He would have set up the boat for an ambush.
As most may already know by now, 19 of 23 officers who served with Sen. John F. Kerry in Vietnam during 1969 have signed a letter that says he is unfit to be commander-in-chief. I would add that we don't have to take Kerry's former commander's word for it because we have Kerry's own actions that tell us the same thing. Take for example February 28, 1969, which the events of that day lead to a Silver Star recommendation and approval faster than has ever been seen in the history of the award. Ironically, all three of Kerry's so-called Purple Heart's would take much longer for approval - some 4 months for his first Heart - yet only took days for his Silver Star to be approved and pinned on him for simply shooting a wounded teen running away from him (or so the story goes.)
The swift boats operated under clear rules that said never to beach and leave a boat under any circumstances during combat operations. To make matters even worst would be for the boats officer-in-charge to leave the boat, leaving remaining crew any any other boats under his tactical command without leadership. This is exactly what Lt.(jg) Kerry did on February 28, 1969. Worst yet, is the fact this was all pre-planned by Kerry in advance that showed a total lack of foresight and consideration for the safety of the people under his command.
One of Kerry's crewmembers, Mike Medeiros, told the New Yorker in January of '04 that Kerry "had talked to me about trying something different. He said he was tired of just going up the river and getting shot at. He asked me what I thought about turning to attack the enemy positions if we took fire and no one was hurt. I said it might not be a bad idea."
As it turns out, Kerry gave a different explanation years earlier as to why he ordered his swift boat beached when he talked to CNN's Jonathan Karl in April of 2001: "On that particular day [February 28th, 1969], I heard the ambush, I heard the firepower, and I made the judgment. Besides, we were very heavily weighted down. We had troops on board. We couldn't reach maximum speed. I knew that to whatever degree we were in the ambush, we were going to get hurt, so I turned the aspect of us toward it, minimizing our exposure, surprising them, and we did win. I mean, we ran right over the ambush, and it felt good to win." Here Kerry is simply substituting his flawed pre-planned strategy with "I had no choice" explanation for his actions.
One of the problems here is that when swifts experienced ambushes on narrow canals like the one Kerry was operating on that Feb. 28th, is that it wasn't uncommon for a swift boat to receive fire from both sides of the banks during the ambush. Kerry had to know this, or at least should had known that any ambush on narrow canals would most likely involve weapons fire from both sides. Yet he goes ahead and decides it could be okay to beach his boat during an ambush leaving the stern and anyone in back of his boat open to enemy fire from less then 200 feet away (canals width could run from anywhere 30-100 feet in width.)
Of course this is exactly what happened on Feb. 28; his boat was taking fire from across the canal immediately after he had beached along the canals shore. Assistance from PCF-43 had to be ordered to surpress the fire since his .50 gunner was unable to train his guns towards the other side of the canal and was taking cover to avoid incoming fire from the opposite bank. The PCF-23 that followed Kerry's boat was ordered beached and was just as a useless sitting duck to any seriously armed enemy VC from the other side as Kerry's PCF-94. Kerry was very lucky that day that any VC on the other side did not have any RPG's or heavy machine guns or his swift boat would have been smoldering at the same spot he beached it 24 hours later along with anyone unlucky enough to have been aboard.
For Kerry and his supporters to suggest the only way to have prevented anyone from getting hurt was to turn and beach the swifts in front of an ambush is simply fooling the public and spewing disinformation. How this particular incident should have been handled was for both swifts Kerry was leading to have continued further up the narrow canal after the initial rocket was fired and missed and then beached to allow any troops that may have been aboard to disembark and walked back to the site of the ambush to investigate and engage the enemy with the swift boats providing additional firepower if needed. If being loaded with troops and speed was a concern, why was it not a issue with Kerry to pass the ambush, turn around and head back to beach his boat? Instead, Kerry's actions took a initial ambush and turned into something much more dangerous then it needed while violating standing operation orders.
The rules for swift boat engagements that stated no one leaves the boat and no beaching of the boats during ambushes were in place for very good reasons and there wasn't any regulations that left it to Lt.(jg) Kerry's discretion to disregard such rules to put his crew at unnecessary risks. Kerry exhibited all the signs of an officer unfit to command on Feb. 28, 1969.
"The man was still running down a path when they got to the bank. Kerry, Belodeau and Michael McDarris, in hot pursuit, saw the Vietcong soldier. Short recalled: "The guy was getting ready to stand up with a rocket on his shoulder, coming up. And Mr. Kerry took him out
he would have been about a 30-yard shot. Which, we were dead in the water up on the bank, point blank. If he missed us, he would have to, you know there's no way he could miss us. He could've thrown a rock and taken me out.""
He beached the boat, rendering it totally helpless. If the boat got hit, HE was solely responsible.
I notice that the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth were not contacted for comment, nor crewman Gardner.
So much for balance.
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Just like when he voted for it before he voted against it.
I saw this on Nightline.
All that was missing was a big red bow.
I can't see how it shows respect for our troops, past and present, to condemn John Kerry for his service in Vietnam. As we know, many of our current national leaders sat out the war in Vietnam in safe stateside berths, or took advantage of draft deferments. It does them no credit when we condemn those who did serve their country.
John Kerry served his country. You don't have to be a liberal to recognize that.
That is exactly right. Very good observation.
I saw this and I said to myself "Why the hell are they rehashing this?". I mean, this came out 5-6 months ago during the primaries. But, when the polls look bad, you will hear Kerry go back and cite his Vietnam service because the record after that is very poor.
I agree. What JFK did 35 years ago has no bearing on what he would do RIGHT NOW to lead the country in WAR TIME
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Yes, he did. So did George W. Bush, albeit in a different manner. But we have some nuance to this "Kerry as patriot therefore CINC material" phenomenon. The same media outlets that nearly snapped their spines contorting themselves to justify supporting a draft-dodger for POTUS are now claiming that service in-country during Vietnam is a prerequisite.
The criticism of Kerry with respect to his service does not stem from anything he did in Vietnam, although many with more knowledge than I have pointed out some oddities. While his record in uniform is hazy, his record upon his return is crystal clear. That's the big deal.
You'd think he'd have done something else worth mentioning since then, wouldn't ya? :P
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