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To: neverdem; Squantos; B4Ranch; Eaker; Larry Lucido; Pete-R-Bilt; PoorMuttly
OK for thee, but not for me.

Do you think this will make nationwide reciprocity for carry permits more difficult to attain for the common folk? Or is it a foot in the door?

11 posted on 06/24/2004 2:06:47 PM PDT by glock rocks (I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, there's no way you can prove anything.)
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To: glock rocks
Do you think this will make nationwide reciprocity for carry permits more difficult to attain for the common folk?

Do you think the ocean is wet?

12 posted on 06/24/2004 2:07:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: glock rocks

Not just more difficult, but maybe even impossible!!!


14 posted on 06/24/2004 2:27:02 PM PDT by Eaker (That the bright star of Texas shall never be dim while her soil boasts a son to raise rifle or limb.)
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To: glock rocks
Do you think this will make nationwide reciprocity for carry permits more difficult to attain for the common folk? Or is it a foot in the door?

Maybe it's a foot in the door, but only in states where the pubbies have a lock on the executive and the legislature. Even then, I would still expect massive resistance from the LEOs and all the gun control groups as well as the states with strict gun control because you might be passing through them.

16 posted on 06/24/2004 2:33:05 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: glock rocks

I'd like to be optimistic, but the police unions are already pretty smug about pushing for rights of their members and everyone else be damned. The leadership will probably continue to hold hands with the Brady folks and oppose concealed carry for everyone but themselves.


19 posted on 06/24/2004 2:37:27 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: glock rocks

What it is a foot in the door for is the Scary Weapons Ban renewal. Feinstein will try to attach the AWB to this to get the last increment of support that she needs. Call and write your Senators to vote NO.


29 posted on 06/24/2004 2:51:34 PM PDT by Rifleman
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To: glock rocks
Do you think this will make nationwide reciprocity for carry permits more difficult to attain for the common folk?

I doubt it. I'm not aware of a single state that has passed CCW, which used the fact that off-duty cops can carry to enact the bill. Quite the contrary, "cop organizations" are usually the ones trying to block them.

If it weren't for the cops blocking CCW laws across the country, there would already be reciprocity in 45 or more states.

55 posted on 06/24/2004 4:20:36 PM PDT by Mulder (Those who would give up liberty for temporary security, deserve neither -- Ben Franklin)
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To: glock rocks

It could be a foot in the door if some of the arguments from this thread are used to shape the "National CCW for regular folks" debate. It depends on who frames the argument.

If this passes, both sides will try to use it. Antis will say that this makes CCW for civilians unnecessary. Pros will disparage the elitism of cop-only CCW and say that the benefits of cop CCW will be increased (more guns = less crime) with civilian CCW.

It might help to point out that civilians have a lower percentage of "bad shoots" than cops do, though this may be an apples & oranges comparison because many concealed carry civilians respond to a crime they actually witness, while on duty cops tend to show up after the fact & have to figure out who the bad guys are. This is an general argument for CCW.

Since most states have CCW now it would seem that it wouldn't be that difficult to get majority votes for national reciprocity. The arguments for CCW on the state level could be used in the national debate.

Would there be a "state's rights" argument against this? If so, I think the 2nd amendment and equal protection should trump it. Doubt a liberal judge would agree with me though.


60 posted on 06/24/2004 4:34:33 PM PDT by Old Dirty Bastiat (it wants to be free)
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