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House Passes 'National Concealed Carry for Cops'
U.S. Newswire ^ | 6/23/2004 | NA

Posted on 06/24/2004 1:51:47 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: Mulder
Now that cops can carry nationwide, many of them will be less willing to cut Joe Q. Citizen a break for "illegally" carrying.

Yeah, their boat is soon to be anchored so they have no more fear of rocking it.

61 posted on 06/24/2004 4:36:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: I got the rope
Have you noticed that Cops are no longer called Peace Officers? They are now Law Enforcement and they call us civilians.

Yes. They do it, and so does the media. It's all propaganda.

BTW, another fond name they have for them is "authorities".

One of my family members just joined the Border Patrol and used the same terminology with me. I corrected her and told her that she was a civilian too, but she insisted that she was not.

The militarization of law enforcement is one of the signs of a totalitiarian government.

Gone are the days where the police officer was your friend. Now, they resemble the standing army our Founding Fathers warned against.

Most are little more than revenue agents for the state. Others are thugs who get off on bossing people around. There are still a few good ones around, but how are we supposed to tell the difference?

62 posted on 06/24/2004 4:39:23 PM PDT by Mulder (Those who would give up liberty for temporary security, deserve neither -- Ben Franklin)
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To: neverdem
I don't know where you live, but I live in NYC. I have quite a few friends on the NYPD. My best friend is an armed investigator for the state's Dept. of Environmental Conservation. To a man, they are leery of Second Amendment rights.

Because of course they REFUSE to see the benefit in crime deterrence in private carry. It would mean fewer jobs for them and less glory for their union bosses.

63 posted on 06/24/2004 4:40:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Mulder
Most are little more than revenue agents for the state. Others are thugs who get off on bossing people around.

And others are simply clueless.

64 posted on 06/24/2004 4:41:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: neverdem
OK for thee, but not for me.

Perhaps it's time to find a friendly local sheriff who will be willing to deputize me. Perhaps if I "volunteer" some money to his re-election campaign....

65 posted on 06/24/2004 4:48:59 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Mulder

If Bush/Ashcroft really believed the RKBA was an individual Right, and they really believed in enforcing the laws, they would simply file federal civil Rights charges against the first state cop that harassed someone carrying a gun inside their own state, territory, commonwealth or District of Columbia.

They could have taken that case in D.C. a little while ago that challenged its draconian gun laws. Either they opposed it, or SCOTUS declined to hear it. With this SCOTUS, that's probably a good thing.

The freeper named robertpaulsen made an argument, convincing to me at least, that the BOR didn't apply to states, just the Feds. The gist of his argument was that only when cases are resolved by SCOTUS and thus incorporated by the 14th Amendment, does any one of the BOR by incorporation, finally force recognition by all the states. I'm not a lawyer, but he sounded convincing. Dubious at first, I eventually bought it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1146386/posts


66 posted on 06/24/2004 4:51:53 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Mulder
The militarization of law enforcement is one of the signs of a totalitiarian government.

Gone are the days where the police officer was your friend. Now, they resemble the standing army our Founding Fathers warned against.

Most are little more than revenue agents for the state. Others are thugs who get off on bossing people around. There are still a few good ones around, but how are we supposed to tell the difference?

RIGHT ON THE MONEY!

67 posted on 06/24/2004 5:00:34 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Because of course they REFUSE to see the benefit in crime deterrence in private carry. It would mean fewer jobs for them and less glory for their union bosses.

It's not just that, there's a fear factor and laziness. They've been brought in the land of the Sullivan law. The guys on the NYPD I know don't like going to the range. Only my best friend likes to go.

There was a robbery at a restaurant in Queens not that many years ago. The cops responded, firing over 240 rounds, IIRC, nobody was hit!

68 posted on 06/24/2004 5:08:56 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

They've been brought in the land of the Sullivan law.

make that

They've been brought up in the land of the Sullivan law.


69 posted on 06/24/2004 5:13:03 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

They've been bought in the land of the Sullivan law.


70 posted on 06/24/2004 5:15:14 PM PDT by glock rocks (I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, there's no way you can prove anything.)
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LOL


71 posted on 06/24/2004 5:18:59 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: stompk

Become a police officer then I guess.


72 posted on 06/24/2004 5:23:40 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: neverdem

Don't worry folks. This will cause the Supremes to rediscover an obscure concept called "federalism" and kick this one back to the curb.


73 posted on 06/24/2004 5:25:40 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Just for grins I started looking for statistics of police officers 'saved' by 'bullet proof vests.'

I found one article that said that over 2,600 policemen had survived because they were wearing a vest. Probably since vests were introduced in the mid to late 70's.

So I think your statistics do not tell the entire story. If there were no bullet proof vests, the statistics for police officer being killed would be quite a bit higher.

74 posted on 06/24/2004 5:30:39 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: neverdem
The freeper named robertpaulsen made an argument, convincing to me at least, that the BOR didn't apply to states, just the Feds

Keep in mind that the Bill of Rights simply enumerates some of our Rights. Just because a Right isn't listed doesn't mean it doesn't exist. For instance, you have a Right to a trial by jury, regardless of whether or not it's actually listed in the Bill of Rights or in any state constitution.

Likewise, you also have a Right to travel, even though it's not listed in the Bill of Rights.

The way I understand it, the 10 items mentioned in the Bill of Rights were so important, that some of the Founders wanted to put them into the Constitution. This was the blood price for getting states wary of federal power to accept the Constitition.

Also remember that according to Jefferson, the primary purpose of gov't is to protect our Rights. And since the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, the federal gov't has an obligation to support it, using force if necessary, when it is under assault from any "foreign or domestic enemy".

75 posted on 06/24/2004 5:33:49 PM PDT by Mulder (Those who would give up liberty for temporary security, deserve neither -- Ben Franklin)
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To: I got the rope

One of my family members just joined the Border Patrol and used the same terminology with me. I corrected her and told her that she was a civilian too, but she insisted that she was not. I guess cops think of themselves above Civilian Law now, but they sure don't fall under the UCMJ.



Our militarized "law enforcement" agencies are the standing army our founders feared.


77 posted on 06/24/2004 6:49:26 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Mulder

The militarization of law enforcement is one of the signs of a totalitiarian government.



Exactly. See my post just above.


78 posted on 06/24/2004 6:50:31 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: FreedomCalls

Perhaps it's time to find a friendly local sheriff who will be willing to deputize me.



Not to disappoint, but if it's like the exceptions for gun laws for law enforcment, there is usually stern words about full-time salaried cops being the only elegible exceptions. It would take a radical sheriff to make this happen.


79 posted on 06/24/2004 6:52:17 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Cap'n Crunch
If there were no bullet proof vests, the statistics for police officer being killed would be quite a bit higher.

And if truck drivers didn't wear seat belts their statistics would be higher.

And if fishermen didn't wear life jackets theirs would be higher too.

80 posted on 06/24/2004 6:56:46 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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