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A Critical Nuclear Moment
The Washington Post ^ | June 24, 2004 | Brent Scowcroft

Posted on 06/23/2004 11:42:15 PM PDT by neverdem

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has just rebuked Iran for failing to cooperate fully with international inspectors who are examining whether Tehran is meeting its nonproliferation commitments.

How concerned should we be about this development? What does it mean? By its own admission, Iran has been taking steps to develop the capability to enrich uranium, one of the two methods used to produce weapons-grade fissile material. While Iran says its activities are solely for peaceful production of nuclear power and are permitted by the Non-Proliferation Treaty, once enrichment capability exists, a major barrier to producing a nuclear weapon virtually vanishes. The IAEA condemnation is an indication that the world may be on the verge of a major breakdown of the nonproliferation regime, to say nothing of a huge new source of instability in a critically important region.

The absence of an effective international response to North Korean efforts to develop a nuclear weapons capability may already have resulted in the entry of another country into the ranks of nuclear-capable powers. North Korea not only can be presumed to have reprocessed enough plutonium this year for an additional six to eight nuclear weapons, it reportedly also is working on a uranium enrichment capability to accompany its existing ability to reprocess plutonium from spent fuel rods.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; Russia; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: brazil; brentscowcroft; enricheduranium; iaea; iran; northkorea; nuclearenergy; nuclearweapons; plutonium
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1 posted on 06/23/2004 11:42:15 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Israel...or the US should bomb them NOW. EVERY facility...turn the sand into glass.

What are we waiting for...


2 posted on 06/23/2004 11:43:44 PM PDT by Cheetah1
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To: neverdem
Iran and North Korea are the tests of today. If we are unable to solve them, as ugly and costly as it may be to do so, we will never be able to hold the line against anyone else.

Iraq has been stopped. The first example has been set.

North Korea has not, but finds itself isolated and hopeless. Perhaps they can be contained. Perhaps the fall of their regime will bring down nuclear fire with it. That may set another example entirely.

Iran will be the key to the nuclear proliferation problem. They are not isolated. They have ideological allies, and powerful nations still deal with them openly. If we cannot demonstrate our resolve and power with Iran, nuclear weapons will spread to all of their allies sooner or later. Then, it will be only a matter of time before those weapons find their way to our shores.

These countries must be stopped, and their weapons must be taken. Our contemporaries may decry us if we succeed, but history will be merciless with us if we fail.

3 posted on 06/23/2004 11:54:35 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (ICDC = I Can't Do Crap)
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To: Steel Wolf

Right on!

We must defang the evil regimes.


4 posted on 06/23/2004 11:57:00 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: neverdem
They are always criticizing Bush for not quickly solving all the problems that Clinton couldn't fix in 8 years.

He did get rid of the Taliban.
Got rid of Saddam.
Made Khadafi turn chicken.

The only really bad guys left to deal with are North Korea and Iran.
5 posted on 06/24/2004 12:14:58 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Bon mots
The only really bad guys left to deal with are North Korea and Iran.

Ooops... Syria.

Cuba and Venezuela are problems, but not immediate threats. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan also have to be watched carefully.

6 posted on 06/24/2004 12:16:40 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Bon mots

Clinton could have fixed ? India and Pakistan aquired nukes on his watch. Clinton should be in jail for treason, no questions asked.


7 posted on 06/24/2004 12:38:03 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: neverdem

The Establishment is setting the table.

Hostilities on the distant horizon.


8 posted on 06/24/2004 12:39:25 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (" Permitting homosexuality didn't work out very well for the Roman Empire")
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To: Finalapproach29er
The DemonicRats and their Media want to talk about prisoner abuse:

Memos Show Confusion, Dissent as Bush Administration Made Interrogation Policy An AP News Analysis

9 posted on 06/24/2004 12:46:26 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: John Lenin
Clinton could have fixed ? India and Pakistan aquired nukes on his watch. Clinton should be in jail for treason, no questions asked.

India did a "peaceful" nuke detonation in the early 1970s, IIRC. Supposedly, it was intended for giant earth moving projects, but everyone assumed it was to show China and Pakistan not to get to randy.

10 posted on 06/24/2004 1:08:27 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

My mistake, he helped arm a Muslim extremist dictatorship by looking the other way.


11 posted on 06/24/2004 1:14:55 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin
Clinton could have fixed ? India and Pakistan aquired nukes on his watch.
Clinton should be in jail for treason, no questions asked.


Not to mention his selling nuclear secrets to China, probably the worst of all of Clinton's crimes.
12 posted on 06/24/2004 1:18:04 AM PDT by jaykay (If the apple fell on Newton's head today, he wouldn't care about gravity, he'd just file a lawsuit.)
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To: jaykay
Someday communist China or a terrorist nation making a deal with the Chinese (Iraq, Iran, North Korea: who knows?) could use information gained from espionage at American labs "to kill American troops, sink our aircraft carriers, or even destroy our cities." - from Newsmax.com
13 posted on 06/24/2004 1:23:40 AM PDT by jaykay (If the apple fell on Newton's head today, he wouldn't care about gravity, he'd just file a lawsuit.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Already saw it. Speechless. Words fail me.


14 posted on 06/24/2004 1:25:10 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (" Permitting homosexuality didn't work out very well for the Roman Empire")
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To: neverdem

Although my personal fave would be to go and smack Syria up the side of the head, if we don't destroy those Iranian facilities soon, they'll use those weapons against us because they're insane. Then, of course, the surging citizens will feel a boost of energy and maybe rise up and oust the freaks in charge. Or we can shoot the freaks. Either way.


15 posted on 06/24/2004 5:19:05 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: Steel Wolf

Nuke physics primer:

There are 2 primary types of fission nukes, implosion and gun tube.

There are 2 nuclear fuels, plutonium and uranium.

Plutonium is relatively easy to make/get and enriched Uranium is hard to make.

Implosion devices are very hard to make, gun tube devices are very easy to make.

Plutonium doesn't work in a gun tube device.

Thus it is easy to get plutonium, but hard to make a bomb out of. It is hard to get enriched uranium, but easy to make a bomb out of once you have it.

That is why the fears of Iranian uranium enrichment are so potent.


16 posted on 06/24/2004 6:10:35 AM PDT by blanknoone
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To: Bon mots
Cuba and Venezuela are problems, but not immediate threats. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan also have to be watched carefully.

The Saudis have a WMD program and should be smacked down. So does Egypt, even if no one is talking about it. Egypt is preparing for war. Brazil has declared its intent to produce nuclear weapons and its hostility towards the west.

Plenty of countries that have already taken sides in the inevitable showdown.

17 posted on 06/24/2004 6:33:14 AM PDT by DonaldDuke
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To: blanknoone
"gun tube devices are very easy to make."

Gun tube?

I have never heard of it.Can you tell us how it works without revealing any secrets?

18 posted on 06/24/2004 6:51:39 AM PDT by painter
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To: Steel Wolf

Iran absolutely must be stopped, because they are the last linkage to an accountable nation-state with respect to a fission-device. Heck, let's cut to the chase: we're talking about an ATOMIC BOMB here folks. Let there be no doubt:

1. Iran will not enforce rigid standards of accountability to ensure the material is retained in the custody of the accountable nation-state.

2. Without such accountability, Islamic terrorists will eventually (sooner not later) gain possession of this material, and ultimately, ATOMIC BOMBS without our knowledge of their whereabouts.

3. The terrorists, being what they are, are invulnerable to pre-emptive action.

4. The terrorists, being what they are, cannot be held accountable, prior to the knowledge of their existence.

5. Holding the last known nation-state (Iran) accountable at that point isn't going to regain the possession of the contraband weapons.

6. Unless there is a strain of human decency that I am not aware of, the terrorists, undeterred and unaccountable, have no moral restraint - only the restraint of possibly getting caught in the act - to prevent them from detonating WMDs on American soil.

7. They have every motivation to wish to harm us to the greatest extent possible.

8. We will, therefore, be "nuked". We can subsequently destroy, Mecca, Medina, and kill 100s of millions of people in revenge should we choose to - but it doesn't stop us from getting "nuked".

That is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about. We have lost our strategic nuclear deterrent - and we have nothing else to deter such action. Indeed, the entire civilized world is left with only pre-emption or Kumbaya as options for global survival strategies.

And the Democrats really...don't... care... as long as Bush is defeated.


19 posted on 06/24/2004 7:10:48 AM PDT by soxfan
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I think a call to Ariel Sharon offering diplomatic cover for Israel to do a midnight run over the facility. We'll buy the gas and a couple of MOABS. We can sneak them right over Iraq..

Israel is most immediately threatened by this (and in turn US and UK.) This reinforces past Israeli policy and gives Blair and W political cover.


20 posted on 06/24/2004 7:18:16 AM PDT by IamConservative (A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.)
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