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Why Jews Welcome Muslims
Frontpagemag.com ^ | June 22, 04 | Lawrence Auster

Posted on 06/23/2004 10:42:14 AM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: thoughtomator
"the Southern Baptists specifically target Jews for conversion."

Source please.

41 posted on 06/23/2004 11:19:48 AM PDT by subterfuge (Liberalism is, as liberalism does.)
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To: churchillbuff; SJackson
The Jews had a safe home here in the colonies in the 17th century, before they had a home in Palestine in the 19th century.

Read On Two Wings a paen to the two wings of American political origins - Protestant and Jewish - written by Michael Novak, a Catholic.

Honestly, for such smart people, Jewish stupidly is going to do them in.

Let me say this slowly and clearly, American Evangelicals love Jews because our Holy Scriptures are filled with them and our founder was a Jew. If there were no Jews, there would be no Christians.

42 posted on 06/23/2004 11:20:20 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: AmishDude; Admin Moderator
You bet I do have an excuse -- the excuse that this is the title of Auster's article; I've taken it directly from the webpage: "Why Jews Welcome Muslims by Lawrence Auster ---" Why is the admin monitor not content to use the title that Frontpage gives to Auster's article? You've changed the entire tenor of his piece by -- out of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS -- CENSORING THE TITLE THAT IS ON THE WEBSITE!! "Freerepublic" goes PC, I guess.

LEt me say it again: Auster's article --- AS ITS TITLE, WHY JEWS WELCOME MUSLIMS --- is about WHY LIBERAL JEWS ARE FOR OPEN BORDERS --- the theme is NOT captured by the title that you have imposed, by censoring Auster's title.

43 posted on 06/23/2004 11:21:49 AM PDT by churchillbuff (q)
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To: churchillbuff

Ah, my beloved elder bretheren, the Islamists will gladly kill either of us; given a choice, they will kill you first.


44 posted on 06/23/2004 11:22:50 AM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: thoughtomator
Apparently you've never been on the receiving end of an evangelical conversion attempt. Saying it's not as bad as Islam is not much of a comfort. Even the Nazis weren't as bad as Islam.

No way do I agree. Mohammedanism is the supreme enemy of Jews. We are both grown up enough to  make it clear we are not going to convert at the behest of an Evangelical. Evangelicals are about the best friends Israel has so I like and respect them. They are part of a divine plan.

45 posted on 06/23/2004 11:23:09 AM PDT by dennisw (http://www.prophetofdoom.net/)
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To: churchillbuff

"Please. Evangelism doesn't threaten anybody. ... Stop crying wolf by suggesting that evangelism by any religion is wrong or dangerous. "


Although I'm both non-Jewish and non-evangelical, I agree 100%. The Jewish folks need to be more concerned with suicide terrorists than harmless people handing out Bibles, Books of Mormon, and whatever other groups like Jehovah's Witnesses hand out.

If they don't like evangelicals, get a big barking dog - they do a good job of keeping the Mormom kids and Jeho Witnesses away.


46 posted on 06/23/2004 11:23:42 AM PDT by Blzbba
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"And changed the title." I went to the site and there is no change in the title that I can see.

That's correct. It's the Admin Moderator who- under PF pressure from AmishDude -- has changed the title that Frontpagemag gave to Auster's article. Let's be honest: THIS IS CENSORSHIP. I didn't make up Auster's title. But the Admin Moderator has suppressed it, because AmishDude pressured him into this act of censorship.

47 posted on 06/23/2004 11:25:08 AM PDT by churchillbuff (q)
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To: thoughtomator
re: How are we going to ally against Islam when evangelists work every day to sabotage the bridges between Judaism and Christianity?)))

Well, gee-- Islam is about 1.5 Billion (with a B) strong--Christianity is about 2B.

Jewry is about 15 million worldwide.

I guess Christians better start working a lot harder to get Jewish support to keep the Muslims from killing us! Better watch their step.

Otherwise, the Jews just might not want to help the Christians.

48 posted on 06/23/2004 11:25:12 AM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-neo conservatism)
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To: AmishDude
"I was in Hungary a few months ago. There was graffiti around that read "SPQR". Knowing what it means in Latin, is it anti-semetic?"

I don't know what it means, so I can't answer your question.
49 posted on 06/23/2004 11:25:41 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Carly Fisher

Welcome to FR.


50 posted on 06/23/2004 11:25:58 AM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-neo conservatism)
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To: subterfuge

OK..I'll try to explain/expand.....vast majority of American Jews are reformed..and increasingly secular..the ones who go to temple twice a year, if at all, on the high holy days, and park their car two blocks from the synagogue, then walk..to appear, "pious", I guess...they join the temple because that's the only way to get tickets on those two days...they enroll their kids in Hebrew school just enough to get them bar/bat mitzvahed...and throw parties that make "bling" among rappers look conservative..they have absolutelyt NO conceptio of what being a Jews means, in a historical and/or religious sense...they'e losing their identity, that spark, that fabric..whatever it is to be called....their Jewishness, if you will..

Interfaith marriages are approaching 50% in some cases..and there's probably some good reasons for this..Jewish guys are viewed as good catches, and shiksa women are forbidden fruit...it goes all the way back to Eve and the 'apple'..(LOL)...and who wants to marry a JAP.. ( been there, done that, ain't NO fun..)so, you have kids who celebrate both Hanukah and Christmas, and gradually, because one parent isn't especially religious..it's easier to raise the kid in some Christian denomination...let me tell you a personal anecdote...my wife and stepdaughters are Episcopalian, and when we were first married, I'd go with them to church for X-mas, Easter..the big family holidays.....there were ELEVEN Jewish guys married to women in that church..we had our own special club...


51 posted on 06/23/2004 11:27:23 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Bahbah

Check post #24.


52 posted on 06/23/2004 11:28:20 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Bahbah

Check post #24.


53 posted on 06/23/2004 11:29:12 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: thoughtomator
What sort of reaction would you have if another religion targeted you for conversion?

I have been targeted by JWs for years. They still make regular treks into my neighborhood and try to share their magazine, engage me in dialog, etc.

I have also been targeted by Mormons and, a few years back, the Moonies were pretty big around here. They sold some nice peanut brittle

It's no big deal. Being the focus of another religion's attempts at conversion is a microscopically small price to pay to live in a free and open society.

54 posted on 06/23/2004 11:30:30 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: thoughtomator
evangelicals turn the contact between the two groups into an adversarial situation, and force Jews into a position of having to defend their faith against conversion attempts

I agree to the extent that this is a problem of perception. But I disagree with you about where the blame lies.

churchillbuff is correct that Christian evangelism is at worst a nuisance, and is easily dismissed if one isn't interested. To blame Christians for "forcing" an adversarial relationaship is, to use the author's word, risible. It is also sadly delusional.

Jews who spend even one moment worrying themselves over the "threat" of Christian evangelism, as compared to the murderous threat of Islamofascism, are indulging in a foolish --and potentially tragic--distraction.

55 posted on 06/23/2004 11:30:39 AM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: AmishDude

LOL. Do I have to check it twice? Seriously, I think I made the same mistake as churchillbuff. I hope I, too, will be forgiven.


56 posted on 06/23/2004 11:31:07 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: churchillbuff
...as crazy as it may sound, there is something that many American Jews fear in their heart of hearts even more than they fear Moslem anti-Semitism, and that is white Christian anti-Semitism.

That IS crazy, because white Christians are generally supportive of Jews and Israel, and I have yet to read of a single incident where a white Christian drove a car bomb into a crowded Jewish coffee shop.

57 posted on 06/23/2004 11:31:07 AM PDT by webheart
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To: ken5050

Thanks for the reply ken5050.


58 posted on 06/23/2004 11:31:55 AM PDT by subterfuge (Liberalism is, as liberalism does.)
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To: SJackson; Admin Moderator; Pete98; Lady Heron; thoughtomator; Ann Archy; ken5050; subterfuge; ...
"Why Jews Welcome Muslims by Lawrence Auster"

Folks, this is the authentic title of Auster's article --- NOT the title that the admin Moderator has changed it to. The real title tells you what the article is about -- why Jewish liberals are for open borders. AmishDude wants that issue and that theme suppressed, so he got Admin Moderator to censor the real title. Too bad, because we -- people insie and outside the Jewish community as well -- need a discussion of the real topic of Auster's article: "Why Liberal Jews Welcome Muslims to America." Open borders aren't healthy for Jews or nonJews - - so why don't they wake up? That's the theme of Auster's article -- AND OF THE REAL TITLE, WHICH HAS BEEN CENSORED

59 posted on 06/23/2004 11:32:58 AM PDT by churchillbuff (q)
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To: thoughtomator
... But I have no innocent explanation to give to other Jews as to why, for example, the Southern Baptists specifically target Jews for conversion. What sort of reaction would you have if another religion targeted you for conversion?

I'd be as concerned as the 1st century Jews were during Pauls missionary journeys. They tried to kill him. Why should we expect today to be any different? Denial of the truth does not change the truth.
60 posted on 06/23/2004 11:34:53 AM PDT by MP5SD
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