[The Lumster]

Colson as usual thinks the answer to this problem lies with government.

I am one Christian who has been silent on this issue because I realize that this problem cannot be solved by government but only by God Himself.

Jer 17:5
Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

For too long Christians have been encouraged by people like Colson to trust in man, to trust in politicians, to trust in judges to solve our social problems.

And where, I ask has that gotten us?

We have great confidence in the flesh and zero confidence in almighty God.

The reason we can't solve our "gay marriage" problem is the same reason we can't solve our abortion problem , or our illegal alien problem, or any of the other problems we have in this country.

All of these issues are signs of God's judgment on a nation that has turned it's back on Him. And don't think that it's because of all those sinner out there.

It's not because of the homosexuals. It's not because of the abortionists. It's not because of the ACLU or the pornographers.

It's because of God's people. Those of us who are called by His name. We are the ones who must repent. We must repent of our trust in man. We must repent of our pursuit of material wealth. We must repent of our love of the world and worldly ways.

Look in the mirror Christians it's our fault!

2 Chron 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

[Churchjack]

I second Lumster's Biblical perspective.

[two23]

And I could add to your excellent points that Christians DO, in a way, fight this issue. By homeschooling their children, raising them with morals and telling them the truth (age appropriate) when confronted by the failings of the world. We can't fix the world and the shortcomings of man, but we can pray for them.

[RobRoy]

Yes, your post 28 nails it. I sometimes wonder if the "babilon whore" which is destroyed in Revelation 17, 18 is, in fact, the US:

Revelation 18:9-11
"When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:
" 'Woe! Woe, O great city,
O Babylon, city of power!
In one hour your doom has come!'
"The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more...

[mdmathis6]

"Look in the mirror Christians it's our fault!

2 Chron 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."


The practical out-working of that repentance of course will be that we ultimately will have to act on that repenteance and begin to speak out and stand against today's evils...to the point of even laying down our lives.
So far fortunately it can start with every Christian exercising their voice and their vote...who knows how long we'll have the vote.

[Mr. Silverback]

Your point is taken, but the bottom line is that we as Christians have a duty to work in the public arena. To point out that duty is not the same as that the Church is fine as is. and it's all somebody else's fault.

[Mr. Silverback]

Sorry, let's try that again...

Your point is taken, but the bottom line is that we as Christians have a duty to work in the public arena. To point out that duty is not the same as that the Church is fine as is and it's all somebody else's fault.