Posted on 06/22/2004 12:25:57 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
Absolutely not. Ban the ban.
Only in San Francisco
>Much of this is now driven by the United Nations Committee >on the Rights of the Child
I see, it's ok to impregnate children, but not to give a wack on the bum every now and then? Only the UN...
The hypocrisy of the UN. I don't think anyone realized how much power this organization would have when creating it. Kofi Annan is the king of the world if this keeps going.
>by eliminating spanking and replacing discipline with a >relationship of negotiation between parent and child.
How do you NEGOTIATE with with a three year old running for the road for the fifth time today?
"Parent-child negotiation?" Pass me a basin.
"Parent-child negotiation?" Pass me a basin.
Hard-wired smoke alarms?
I heard a speaker (don't remember his name) talk about how parents (and I've done it myself) forget to actually _tell_ a child to stop a behaviour. His example was a child playing on a luggage carousel at an airport. He noted the following phrases that the mother said to the child:
1) Honey, you shouldn't be playing on that.
2) Would you please stop playing on that?
3) You're going to hurt yourself!
4) You're making me very upset!
5) I thought I told you to to stop playing on that?
His comments on each phrase:
(1) is just an informational message
(2) is just a request
(3) is only a warning (and a lie if the kid doesn't get hurt)
(4) More information
(5) is a false statement - she never told him to stop.
Not once did the mother say "STOP DOING THAT"!
Kids need limits, parents must set them and, more importantly, enforce them. I'm not for beating a kid, but a swat on the bottom (or hand or...) is a great attention getter.
Christian parents may find themselves forced to choose between obeying the law of the land or the law of God.
A very easy choice, as far as I can tell.
Exactly. I'd take the quick although painful spanking to dodge the 'stay in your room for two hours while the other kids are out playing', anytime. Spanking loses it's effectiveness very, very early.
It seems to come from the lefty mentality too. Probably something they are smoking, but definitely it is laced in the tripe they have a tendency to read.
Also, I think that certain physical punishments are completely appropriate to acheive the desired result and that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with spanking a kid.
Let's take another punishment: Picking weeds. That's a punishment. That's physical. It's useful. And, it provides the solitude to think about one's actions and how those actions got them into their current situation. Is that wrong because there is a physical aspect to the punishment?
Another favorite of my father: push ups. Builds great upper body strength. After about 100, your muscles feel like they are on fire. Is that wrong because there is a physical aspect to the punishment?
And, what about the understated physical punishment: standing/sitting in the corner. It requires no physical exertion, only the ability to stand or sit upright in the same place. Is that wrong because there is a physical aspect to the punishment?
Well, I'm certain that almost every lefty would reject picking weeds ("The harsh sun could cause cancer! Oh no!") or doing push-ups ("It is a machismo form of punishment that reinforces male dominance that drips through our society!"). Those are somewhat predictable based on theire near-complete aversion to things of a physical nature (well, except indiscriminate sex)
But, I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that they would go off the Richter over standing/sitting in the corner. Why? Because it hurts the child's feelings.
DRAT! Even trying to understand these maggot-infested, open-toed-shoe-wearing, hippies is exhausting
I guess it would be ok if I sodomized my dog in the privacy of my own home, but GOD FORBID I should spank my own child.
A child that I will, no doubt, be held resposible for at every other point in their life until they are an adult. So, I'm responsible, but I'm not able to determine how to make them a responsible, well-mannered, polite, and courteous child?
Oh, I guess I have to wait until my kids teacher simply decides that my child is unruly, labels them ADHD, and forces my child to take Rittalin (sp?) so they are "manageable". And if I don't want them to take the Rittalin, I go to jail. Is that how this works?
Yeah. You people really have it together. Friggin' idiots! Leave the parenting up to the grown ups. Have an LCD-lollipop and go back the playground, you deginerates!
been there, done that. Child savers destroyed our family.
It seems to come from the lefty mentality too. Probably something they are smoking, but definitely it is laced in the tripe they have a tendency to read.
Also, I think that certain physical punishments are completely appropriate to acheive the desired result and that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with spanking a kid.
Let's take another punishment: Picking weeds. That's a punishment. That's physical. It's useful. And, it provides the solitude to think about one's actions and how those actions got them into their current situation. Is that wrong because there is a physical aspect to the punishment?
Another favorite of my father: push ups. Builds great upper body strength. After about 100, your muscles feel like they are on fire. Is that wrong because there is a physical aspect to the punishment?
And, what about the understated physical punishment: standing/sitting in the corner. It requires no physical exertion, only the ability to stand or sit upright in the same place. Is that wrong because there is a physical aspect to the punishment?
Well, I'm certain that almost every lefty would reject picking weeds ("The harsh sun could cause cancer! Oh no!") or doing push-ups ("It is a machismo form of punishment that reinforces male dominance that drips through our society!"). Those are somewhat predictable based on theire near-complete aversion to things of a physical nature (well, except indiscriminate sex)
But, I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that they would go off the Richter over standing/sitting in the corner. Why? Because it hurts the child's feelings.
DRAT! Even trying to understand these maggot-infested, open-toed-shoe-wearing, hippies is exhausting
I guess it would be ok if I sodomized my dog in the privacy of my own home, but GOD FORBID I should spank my own child.
A child that I will, no doubt, be held resposible for at every other point in their life until they are an adult. So, I'm responsible, but I'm not able to determine how to make them a responsible, well-mannered, polite, and courteous child?
Oh, I guess I have to wait until my kids teacher simply decides that my child is unruly, labels them ADHD, and forces my child to take Rittalin (sp?) so they are "manageable". And if I don't want them to take the Rittalin, I go to jail. Is that how this works?
Yeah. You people really have it together. Friggin' idiots! Leave the parenting up to the grown ups. Have an LSD-lollipop and go back the playground, you deginerates!
Sorry for the double post. Meant to say "LSD" lollipop. Try to "Stop" before the post got posted. Obviously didn't work.
King David's problems with his children were a result of him never correcting them.
Flash lights?
We tell our kids to do something, like go to their room, and they will tell us no. We tell them we did not ask them a question, we told them to do something. At that point they proceed to do what they were told, after we start to get up, and through a fit the whole time the are doing it. We use spankings, timeouts, etc.
Hypocrites.
(I mean this response to anyone who is Pro-Spanking). The question was asked: How to you negotiate with a 3-year old running into the road for the fifth time today? When they do it once, you get on their level and tell them why it's unsafe. And that if they do it again they're going inside (for an hour, two hours, the rest of the day, etc). Or that they'll get a favorite toy/activity taken away.
It's never necessary to resort to hitting a child. Alot of parents act as if they have no verbal skills. There's MANY other ways to discipline and correct a child. When you hit, you teach them to hit. TALK to your child and give consequences that don't involve physical punishment.
When you hit, you demonstrate that you are bigger than they are and that the strongest get their way. They may learn to bully other kids, or worse yet, withdraw inside themselves because (for kids who are punished for expressing anger, etc), their feelings and emotions are stifled. They're told that their feelings are wrong and not allowed, and punished for having emotions (like YOU). YOU never have a bad day? YOU never take your anger out on your spouse? YOU never misbehave, have a temper tantrum, feel justified in your anger, etc.? YOU never do something you know you shouldn't? YOU DO, because no one is standing above you ready to catch your every mistake and hit you for it. How dare your kids try to be human? How dare they act as you do? Don't you realize that you punish them for the exact same thing you do?? YOU never get hungry, tired, upset, etc. You never take your feelings out on someone else. YOU'RE never rude to anyone, and then too proud to apologize.
One day they will be bigger than you...don't forget that.
My mother spanked me, but never abused me. At 30 years old, I'm just now discovering the hatred I have towards her. She's shocked by it because I've always been so loving and caring. I've always been so close to her and believed my life would be over if I ever lost her. There's so much anger buried. Having a child has made me realize how wrongly she treated me. I will NEVER do that to my son.
When you make up your mind to hit your child, there's always a chance that it could get out of control and cross the line of abuse. You may get very angry one day. I believe that every parent who spanks remembers the time (or times) they hit too hard and regretted it. The guilt that spanking brings on a parent is tremendous. We know in our heart of hearts that it's wrong. We remember how we were made to feel as children. But we accept the "norm" or believe it's best because that's how we were raised.
We betray our kids by causing them physical pain. If you make up your mind not to put your hands on your kids, PERIOD... there will never be the chance that you could hit them in anger, hit harder than you should've, etc. And you will have taught your kids to talk on their problems and not fight. Human beings should have respect for each other, regardless of age. Regardless if I'm bigger than my child and can control him. And shame and degrade him as a human being. Being hit... being forced to take a spanking, slapping, paddling, whipping, etc. is HUMILIATION.
Is spanking effective? Sure.... And if my husband decided to start beating me when I made a mistake, that would be effective too. Why is it okay for me to hit my child, but NOT okay for my husband to hit me? What if it was controlled hitting, and only when I deserved it? What if I started acting right as a result of him hitting me? What if statistics show that beaten wives are more well behaved wives, and productive members of society? Would that make it okay?
A human being should NOT be hit, regardless of age. Someone on here actually said that the U.N. is trying to infringe on our personal rights as parents. Rights to what? To hit our children? Who should stand up for them? I aplaud each country that has anti-spanking laws. It's great to know less kids are being hurt, shamed, and betrayed by their parents (who are supposed to love them). I look forward to when the law is passed in the US.
If an adult did to you what you do to your child, it would be called ASSAULT. Kids are human beings with rights, and should not be assaulted in the name of "discipline".
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