FREEPER CALL TO ACTION: Jayna Davis -- OKC bombing; Iraqi connection justifies war!

email from Jayna Davis | 6-2004 | PUBLISHER

[doug from upland]

Kristinn, Jayna can get a load of books over there. Can you guys get some publicity and deliver books to the 9/11 commission???

[combat_boots]

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Islam & Democracy? Scholars Discuss The Prospects

It's a question that has been asked again and again during the past year: are Islam and democracy compatible? The answer depends on who's answering the question. Iraqi officials called last week's presidential referendum (where 100% of the vote went to Guess Who), part of Iraq's "democratic, civilized march." And don't count on all those who put pressure on Pakistan to reinstitute democracy to celebrate last week's elections, which helped anti-American parties gain significant ground. Even though Muslim countries have been resistant to US calls for democracy, there has been an increasing yearning for democratic reforms from within the Muslim world. Organizations and conferences have been held recently to promote democracy in the Arab and Muslim worlds, with many scholars and politicians speaking out about the necessity of increased political freedoms. At a forum held last week by the Washington-based Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy, Professor Akbar S. Ahmed, the Ibn Khaldun Chair of Islamic Studies at American University, said many Muslim societies are "in a state of disequilibrium" because of unrepresentative governments. "If you go back in history, when the Prophet died, the people elected his successor," said Malaysian President Dr. Mahathir Mohammed last week. "This proves that democracy is not alien to Islam." Despite the obstacles that democracy still has in the Muslim world, there have been successes. In the past 20 years, 50% of the population of the Muslim world has lived under the democratically elected rule of a Muslim woman (that's Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and Turkey, for those keeping score). Surely by the time the US elects a woman president, Muslim democracies will have developed even more.

Note that the woman president link goes right here........................

 

 

[combat_boots]

Saturday, May 15, 2004 11:31 a.m. EDT
Poll:

Dems Would Dump Kerry for Hillary

Sen. John Kerry may have his party's nomination locked up, but rank-and-file Democrats would still rather nominate Sen. Hillary Clinton to run against President Bush this year, a new poll shows.

In a survey of 500 Democrats and Democrat-leaning Independents, pollster Frank Luntz pitted Clinton against Kerry in a head-to-head match-up. Forty-seven percent said they'd dump Kerry if the former first lady would agree to be their standard-bearer. Only 44 percent said they'd stand by their man.

Luntz added the question to his poll after top talk radio host Rush Limbaugh asked him to survey Democrats on whether they still preferred other candidates to Kerry. In a list of candidates that didn't include Clinton's name, 40 percent stuck with the Massachusetts Democrat while 57 percent chose others who ran in the primaries.

"This is not a ringing endorsement of their nominee," Limbaugh told his audience after announcing the results on Friday. "It means that people haven't changed their minds about their preference, and it means they're really not lined up behind Kerry at all."

Late last year when the nomination was still in play, Sen. Kerry insisted to CNN that at least one poll showed him leading Mrs. Clinton. At the time, one survey after another showed that Democrats preferred Hillary by wide margins - a trend that continued right up until the Iowa caucuses. A Kerry campaign spokesman, however, later had to admit that the Democrats' second favorite candidate had misspoken.


On the hillary website. Actually here..............

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/15/113834.shtml

[elbucko]

"According to Davis’ research, Bin Laden’s No. 2 man, the notorious Dr. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, visited the hometown [OKC] of the pending terrorist operation in the spring of 1995 just prior to the bombing of the Murrah federal complex.

Should this be so, with a paper trail or other confirming, corroborating evidence, then what? It will still be ignored. It served a purpose then, to hide the origins of the OKC Fed Bldg. bombing then, it will remain so now.

The only way that America will believe it, is if Bin Laden himself, admits to it.
I hope I am wrong, but I don't think so.

[doug from upland]

You can sit back and do nothing or you can help. I'd like your help.

[elbucko]

Whats on your mind?

[doug from upland]

Please contact talk shows and get Jayna on the air. Thanks.

[doug from upland]

I wasn't jumping on you, just encouraging you not to be defeatist. That is what they want.

[jnarcus]

Have read this book and it is a goody. Have given copies to others who are on the left and keep carping that Mcveigh was OUR terroist...I just want as many to know as I can get to. Keep up the work

[Brit_Guy]

Saddam is EVIL
Ossoma Bin Ladan is EVIL
McVeigh was EVIL

All three, and those like them should be confronted head on.

But for the life of me it seems like everyone is desperate to connect them simply to make it a more coherant single enemy. For what its worth I do not for one minute think Saddam has any involvement whatever in 911, I don't think he had any involvement in OKC either.

So what? He was an evil SOB and we took him on to make the world a better place.

Trying to make links just makes people look like conspiracy nuts. They're not needed. The case against each stands on its own merits.

[Peach]

Doug -

This book should be required reading for all Americans. James Woolsey said of Jayna Davis and the book that someday America would know the truth about the OKC bombing and owe Davis a debt of gratitude.

It is an ASTOUNDING read, even for those who have followed Davis and this story.

40 people identified the same guy (an ex-Iraqi Republican Guard soldier) with McVeigh.

A woman who was trapped in the rubble for 12 hours as doctors ultimately amputated her leg at the scene described the Iraqi to a tee, including his distinctive tattoo.

The only problem with the book is that it leaves you very angry with the government for sweeping this under the rug. And not just Clinton's Justice Department either. Congress, who pretended to investigate this matter a few years ago, should be tarred and feathered.

[doug from upland]

Go to someone else's thread and crap in their living room. Thanks.

[Peach]

The reasons why the government failed us in their investigation of the OKC terrorist attack are outlined in the book and have been discussed on many forums.

Read the book. It will only take you a few hours. Then report back.

[Peach]

The answer is in the book. For both administrations.

It is a huge disappointment and the book will leave you feeling angry at the goverment. No one in Congress or the administration had the will to see where the bodies were buried, so to speak.

To re-open the investigation fully and honestly would show how ineffective our government was/is in handling matters like this. Too many people in the government intel agencies and in Congress would lose their jobs. They wouldn't just lose their jobs. They would be run out of town by an enraged electorate.

I can only encourage you to read the book. It is fantastic and filled with names and facts that will astound you.

[rwfromkansas]

I don't know. Sometimes you don't know; not everything can be explained.

But that doesn't mean there isn't a connection.

The evidence is just overwhelming.

[TXnMA]

You can sit back and do nothing or you can help. I'd like your help.

Thank you! It is great to see another FReeper carrying the OKC banner for a while. Just in case she hasn't seen this thread, I'll send Jayna a heads-up.

Amazing that this thread has remained 'clean' so far... I didn't see any of our ubiquitous 'FedShill' disruptors on it -- yet...