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To: MindFire
"You really have no clue about conservatism if you think the john birchers and CIS, and FAIR and nubersUSA are 'liberal'."

Thank you for falling into my trap. You are probably a sincere conservative, and have become discontented with Bush and Republicans by what you've read on FAIR, CIS, NumbersUSA, etc.. sites. You are a victim of Liberal democrat disinformation. Consider this excerpt from The Wall street Journal a couple days ago:

"In fact, CIS, FAIR, NumbersUSA, Project-USA and more than a half-dozen similar groups that Republicans have become disturbingly comfy with, were founded or funded (or both) by John Tanton, a retired doctor in Michigan. In addition to trying to stop immigration to the U.S., appropriate population-control measures for Dr. Tanton and his network include promoting China's one-child policy, sterilizing Third World women and wider use of RU-486.

FAIR, where Mr. Krikorian once worked, is run by Dan Stein and shares advisers and personnel with CIS and other members of the Tanton nexus. As our Jason Riley noted in a March op-ed, "By Dr. Tanton's own reckoning, FAIR has received more than $1.5 million from the Pioneer Fund, a white-supremacist outfit devoted to racial purity through eugenics."

Representative Cannon says, "Tanton set up groups like CIS and FAIR to take an analytical approach to immigration from a Republican point of view so that they can give cover to Republicans who oppose immigration for other reasons."

And in answer to your question, I am not Karl Rove, but I've worked with him in several campaigns. You're fortunate not to be discoursing with him. Karl Rove does not suffer fools lightly; in fact he doesn't suffer them at all.

60 posted on 06/21/2004 6:59:34 PM PDT by bayourod (Can the 9/11 Commission connect the dots on Iraq or do they require a 3-D picture?)
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To: bayourod
you said:

"And in answer to your question, I am not Karl Rove, but I've worked with him in several campaigns. You're fortunate not to be discoursing with him. Karl Rove does not suffer fools lightly; in fact he doesn't suffer them at all"

What is that supposed to mean? I'm 'fortunate' not to be 'discoursing' with him? what would he do, cry and run behind his curtains like he did when the liberals went to protest him? LOL the guy has no credibility as a conservative or a Christian. I believe in Christian principles and smaller Constitutional govt and make no apologies for it. I couldn't care less what some obscure elitist advisor thinks.

It has no bearing on my beliefs or principles whatsoever. But that's good if you're buddies with him or am impressed/mesmerized/whatever by him. more power to ya! ;-) Read Ron Pauls speech 'Neo-Conned' for more info on Rove and his ilk.

As far as your notations of numbersusa etc and their founder,.. I actually have not done any extensive reading at any of those sites, nor do i send their faxes.. but i do know of them because many people in the immigration reform movement use those sites and refer to them. These people are supportrs of Tancredo, McClintock, etc. Not liberal in any way.

What is on those sites has not 'convinced' me of anything. But on your point of liberals infiltrating so-called conservative causes, though.. you make a good point. I spoke to George Putnam when he had that woman 'Ling Ling' on his program. She pretends to be against immigration, but in reality she started talking about POPULATION CONTROL and she even criticized the Pope and sneered that "these people (immigrants with lots of kids who don't practice birth control) should go live at the Vatican". Basically she was taking the stance that mirrored the left and its population control/UN agenda. So yes, i am aware of this and have debated it with many people involved in this issue here. So I do see your point and i called her on it personally, over the air. again, it is a matter of principle and not 'following' a website or a man.

76 posted on 06/21/2004 7:18:14 PM PDT by MindFire
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To: bayourod

By the way, your good buddy rove is the one who rabidly spewed to Congressman Tom Tancredo to 'LEAVE THIS WHITE HOUSE AND DON'T EVER DARKEN OUR DOORSTEP AGAIN'.


sounds like your tubby balding hero has a hot temper, as you apparently tried to allude to in your veiled threat above. I think i am right after all.. you ARE Rove!! LOL!


83 posted on 06/21/2004 7:22:05 PM PDT by MindFire
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