Posted on 06/21/2004 12:55:23 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
Really? So you're discounting the Russian oil sales to China? And the fields in the South China Sea are of no significance? And the Iranians wouldn't even consider a WMD for oil deal with China? None of that could happen, right?
In this case, it may be a positive. The Chinese one-child policy has, as I recall, resulted in a demographic imbalance - more young males than females. A war could restore the balance, and thus improve societal harmony.
In other words, they're going to increase the size of their army about 80-fold in nothing flat.
And, of course, their economy will prosper without those funny green pieces of paper coming in, AND paying for a 100,000,000-man army...
Your entire scenario is based on a starving chinese population. I don't see it.
OK, I will explain this patiently:
(1) China imports food.
(2) China imports oil.
(3) If China goes to war, China loses (1) and (2).
(4) Without (1) and (2), China's population starves.
(5) Drafting 100,000,000 troops that you can't feed or move does not significantly help the situation.
And what is killing millions of people to Communists?...its nothing, they do it before breakfast.
One more time:
1,000 starving peasants. 1 soldier.
Unless he's got magic bullets that can kill ten people at a time, and he never misses, he's going to become someone's breakfast.
You have no idea what our navy is capable of. You havn't even factored in our submarines. Their military equipment and strategies are still geared in the WW2 era. Their only hope is to do their damage and get out before we show up.
Get back with me when you know what a COSCO ship is, and what a call ordering them to turn around means.
Until then, thanks for the laughs. I tried visualizing a US sub commander surfacing, then getting on the horn and ordering a COSCO container ship to "haul your ass out of port NOW and get on over to California, Mister!", and I fell over, doubled up with gut-wrenching laughter.
Thanks.
I give us 30 days of non-supply from China before we're on our knees.
How long can china last without our influx of money? It works both ways. We can get the same items elsewhere for a little more money. Who the hell is going to pick up the buying spree if the US stops spending? ...
Wow, you really don't get it, do you.
This is war, not commerce.
The PLA thanks you for your blinkers.
"I" remember "you" from the pre-WWII era. You told me, "Don't be silly -- why would Japan attack us? Who would they get to buy their crap?" My kind couldn't reason with your kind then, and I see that Mr. Santayana's statement is proven true.
We've exported our manufacturing infrastructure. We have placed ourselves at the mercy of our avowed foe. We have made ourselves dependent on an enemy for our very survival.
Vote for Kerry if you actually believe this one.
Sell Lenin's philosophical heirs rope if you really believe your own tripe.
G'day, mite.
Unfortunately, long before those males can be socialized into the army, they will be socialized into a culture of lawlessness. Try reading some of George Gilder's early wirk regarding the roles played by men and women in preserving and transmitting civilization.
Are you saying that there is NO other industrial infrastructure in the world, anywhere, except China?
No Walmart and there will be riots in America.
Bingo. You get it. Poobie still doesn't.
I notice he left out of his comic book ending the part about chinese (American-design) ICBMs landing on the continental USA when they retaliate for our foolhardy attempts to board their container ships. He also left out the part about the attempts being demonstrably foolhardy, when the Chinese crews scuttle the COSCO ships.
I suggest that all the people hyperventilating about "Unrestricted Warfare" read enough history to understand what happens to countries that try to apply "Unrestricted Warfare."
And I suggest you go bother someone else.
You don't reply to my posts, and I won't reply to yours, OK?
Frankly, life is too short for your continued stream of anklebiting, and I've had my full dose of it.
Byt bye now.
Considering that China can get to Siberia a hell of a lot easier than they can get to Taiwan, and have a long-standing claim on Siberia, yes, I am discounting that prospect.
And the fields in the South China Sea are of no significance?
After the USN visits them, yes.
And the Iranians wouldn't even consider a WMD for oil deal with China?
An oil-WMD deal between China and Iran does the Chinese no good if the oil is in Bandar Abbas, is needed in Shanghai, and has to transit a naval blockade.
None of that could happen, right?
You obviously do not play wei qi.
Did you factor in the black ink they'll garner when they nationalize the infrastructure we're presently building them? Walmart alone is creating a massive retail structure in country.
Think of how their soldiers would overwhelm us if they came on our shores.
And then laugh it off if you wish.
The good news is that we're pretty close to ending the transfer of our industrial base to China.
The bad news is that the reason is, there ain't much left to transfer.
The worse news is that even if we tried to stop (let alone reverse) the process, we're in bad shape -- really bad shape. The brainpower necessary to man the infrastructure has largely gone to retirement, to the grave, or offshore.
We're screwed.
Your comic-book ending ignores the inevitable American retaliation for a nuclear strike.
How many national leaders are willing to die by being crushed, incinerated, and irradiated just to keep us from getting a container ship full of DVD players?
He also left out the part about the attempts being demonstrably foolhardy, when the Chinese crews scuttle the COSCO ships.
Ah, yes, in your world, everyone else is willing to commit suicide just to keep the Americans from getting another shipment of pet chew toys.
So you're suggesting that the U.S. Navy is going to blockade China? Poohbah, that is one of the most pathetic statements I have ever read. You have my pity.
I must disagree.
The shock of an attack by China would be enough to get Americans behind a mission there.
In fact, defending Taiwan would be an easier sell than Iraq?
Why? Because Americans aren't too fond of the Chinese; we just get along with them for business purposes. We still recognize their despotic government. Once they attack Taiwan, we would have a clear reason to go in. The whole argument about a preemptive war that occurred before Iraq would not take place then.
What, are they going to retain Louis Farrakhan to organize the Million Man Swim?
Yes, communists have never desired to spread their ideology or desired for territorial expansion. We have reached the age of Pax.
They are so dependent upon us that our dependence upon them would basically be canceled out.
Hopefully commit seppiku, but they would probably go crazy instead and start nuking everybody.
In a few short years we've gone from "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall," to "Mr. Lenin, please buy this rope."
Paging George Santayana...
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