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U.S. at War With Beijing, Reports Cite China as No. 1 Threat
newsmax.com ^ | June 17, 2004 | Charles R. Smith

Posted on 06/21/2004 12:55:23 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: megatherium

Chinese don't assimilate well. The overt pressures on children to marry stragically in a manner to specificlly direct family wealth ensures this. In many ways, the overseas Chinese are like the Ashkenazi, e.g.portable wealth, plus a propensity to be owner operators, however, unlike them they do not share Western Judeo-christian values with their host societies.


161 posted on 06/22/2004 11:00:53 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: Lael

There are naysayers right here on this thread who are ex parasites who have recast themselves as nationless bootlickers of global strip mall know nothingism. I'll let you guess who I might be aluding to! ;)


162 posted on 06/22/2004 11:03:36 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: Poohbah

So tell us about all of your direct experience with sourcing hardware manufacturing, site moves and insourcing. We are waiting in suspense.


163 posted on 06/22/2004 11:05:12 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: Rockitz; hchutch
Chicom confidence level in their capabilities comes into play and won't be lost on our war game strategists concerned with those capabilities.

Actually, if I were the ChiCom government, I would have a very LOW confidence level in the capabilities of Chinese strategic forces--because not one of those weapons has been live-fired. The last missile that went through a live-fire test was the Polaris A-1 (Operation Dominic, Shot Frigate Bird), and that was in 1962. Kindly note that the Polaris A-1 went out of service in 1965.

Given the rather astonishing levels of corruption in China, a wise ChiCom defense minister would worry about whether those missiles that are "operational" are really going to work when the word comes to turn keys. You can test-fly aircraft on a moment's notice, and then return it to the flight line. You can test-fly a missile...once.

Meanwhile, I would also note that the US places a large fraction of its nuclear forces on strategic bombers...and bombers are known to work.

164 posted on 06/22/2004 11:07:49 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: Poohbah
You can test-fly a missile...once.

There you go again. There's a Miuteman III test tomorrow from VAFB. We also test Peacekeepers on a relatively regular basis as well. Shut up while your behind.

165 posted on 06/22/2004 11:11:14 AM PDT by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: Don Joe

Yeah but he is somehow a valued insider, one of the zotmeisters. Quite frankly, it must be from some earlier brownie points from back in 98 or 99. These days he acts more like a troll (while calling me and many other solid conservatives trolls!). Personally I think it's time for some new sheriffs in these here parts, but what do I know. According to the current zotmeisters I am all sorts of nasty things and am on the dole - oh and also, according to them, I am 17 years old. If only! ;)


166 posted on 06/22/2004 11:12:02 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: Poohbah

Are you a conservative or a liberal?


167 posted on 06/22/2004 11:13:24 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: Rockitz
There you go again. There's a Miuteman III test tomorrow from VAFB. We also test Peacekeepers on a relatively regular basis as well. Shut up while your behind.

First, none of the tests are conducted in a live-fire environment.

Second, as I pointed out, you can test a specific missile once--after the test, it is most assuredly not reusable.

168 posted on 06/22/2004 11:16:07 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: GOP_1900AD; hchutch
Are you a conservative or a liberal?

I am a conservative...at least, to those who have not confused "nationalist socialist" and "conservative."

169 posted on 06/22/2004 11:18:43 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: GOP_1900AD

I'm not doubting you, but if this were the case, why were RAM supplies seriously disrupted a couple of years back when Taiwan was hit with a large earthquake?


170 posted on 06/22/2004 11:35:08 AM PDT by Terpfen (Re-elect Bush; kill terrorists now, fix Medicare later.)
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marker bump


171 posted on 06/22/2004 11:47:32 AM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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To: Terpfen

For components / wafers, I'll admit there are still important facilities on Taiwan. But not for long. Those are in the process of going to the mainland to, as much as Taiwanese law allows. Thank God Taiwanese law is at least slowing this....


172 posted on 06/22/2004 11:49:03 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: Poohbah
With the latest upgrade, the Dong-Feng 41 should be able to hit all US targets by 2010 with a projected range of 12,000 km. We've been able to hit all ChiCom targets since 1960. Whoop-de-do.

And they have be SO AFRAID with Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton holding the button. All the Chi-Comms had to do was spend a few million to manipulate our election. And soon, their buddy John eFFing Kerry will hold the button. Didn't you ever wonder where the ANSWER crowd came from in Washington DC the very WEEK of the 9-11 attack...and WHO PAID FOR IT??

173 posted on 06/22/2004 2:10:14 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Communism is a mental illness. Historical amnesia is its prerequisite.)
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To: fso301

Actually the looming nationalization factored in DOES pretty much offset any 'losses' you are assuming. And then some. With interest.


174 posted on 06/22/2004 2:12:25 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Communism is a mental illness. Historical amnesia is its prerequisite.)
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To: rudypoot
If the US yanks $152 billion out of China, it will have a greater effect.

Never going to happen. As we used to say of the Soviets....'What's mine is mine, and what's yours...is negotiable...' It won't be possible to yank anything. Once they nationalize, the have the whole kit and kaboodle...and the free traitors will be hunted down like dogs.

175 posted on 06/22/2004 2:17:34 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Communism is a mental illness. Historical amnesia is its prerequisite.)
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To: Paul Ross

I realize that, but it could happen if they take military action against Taiwan.


176 posted on 06/22/2004 2:22:52 PM PDT by rudypoot (Rat line = Routes that foreign fighters use to enter Iraq.)
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To: Paul Ross
And they have be SO AFRAID with Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton holding the button.

Actually, folks like Carter and Clinton the ones to be most afraid of: liberals, because of their disdain for the military, don't understand it, and tend to wind up massively over-reacting in the event of a crisis because they have to be perceived as "tough." Witness Jimmy's near-hysterical 1980 speech threatening the use of nuclear weapons if the USSR invaded Iran, and Bubba's profligate use of cruise missiles, and his orders to Gen. Wesley Clark that damn near started WW3 over the Russians getting to Pristina first.

177 posted on 06/22/2004 2:36:30 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: GOP_1900AD

Even the Taiwanese are making things in China now. Unbelievable. Thanks for the heads-up.


178 posted on 06/22/2004 2:37:22 PM PDT by Terpfen (Re-elect Bush; kill terrorists now, fix Medicare later.)
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To: rudypoot
Um, a blockade will order a COSCO ship out of Chinese home port?

LOL!

You're quite the Naval expert. Or perhaps I meant "Navel"? :)

Complete this sentence without invoking a search engine or other reference material: "A stern chase is a ..."

Thank you.

PS: no fair anyone else helping him out.

179 posted on 06/22/2004 5:22:56 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Poohbah
Given the rather astonishing levels of corruption in China

Communism and corruption go hand in hand. They are inseparable. Communism(or even totalitarianism) cannot exist without it.
180 posted on 06/22/2004 5:31:05 PM PDT by DarkWaters
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