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U.S. at War With Beijing, Reports Cite China as No. 1 Threat
newsmax.com ^ | June 17, 2004 | Charles R. Smith

Posted on 06/21/2004 12:55:23 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: jriemer

Thought you may be interested in this.


121 posted on 06/21/2004 8:45:54 PM PDT by PersonalLiberties (...)
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To: Poohbah

Just curious, but how long do you think it takes to find a new factory, have them retool their manufacturing line, produce a prototype, get it approved, find suppliers in the area for raw goods for mass production, go into production, find a carrier that can ship it? Now I am just talking silicon and computer parts here. How long to you think it takes for an American Company to get this done and get the product back here?


122 posted on 06/21/2004 9:08:24 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Tailgunner Joe

So, how does everyone feel about Clinton/Gore giving them technology to make their missiles launch and guidance technology to accurately nuke us now?


123 posted on 06/21/2004 9:11:06 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Poohbah
Perhaps you can explain to me how China is going to be making all of these big strategic waves on the international scene AND have enough troops to keep the lid on at home.

China currently has 2.5 million troops. That is a sizable force if you ask me.

Besides that they are using economic warfare against Taiwan, and will do it to us.
124 posted on 06/21/2004 9:12:17 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The hook-up from hell -- China/Iran.

The Commission report also noted that China continues to proliferate advanced weapons to many of its client states including North Korea, Pakistan, and Iran.

125 posted on 06/21/2004 9:12:40 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: GOPJ

You might be interested in this then:
BEIJING (Reuters) - Syria, under fresh U.S. economic sanctions over its support of anti-Israel militants, wants increased and more balanced trade with China, Minister of Economy and Commerce Ghassan al-Rifai said on Monday

"We want to stimulate trade and we will work on that... The level of trade is modest and is very imbalanced," Rifai told Reuters in an interview in Beijing.


"The purpose is to foster ties between Syria and China and mending the malfunction in the world order," said Syria's ambassador to Beijing, Mohammed Kheir al-Wadi.


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040621/wl_nm/syria_china_dc_1


126 posted on 06/21/2004 9:32:05 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Don Joe; neutrino; All
We've gone from Roosevelt's Big Stick aimed at Raisuli to the modern "don't rock the boat" neochamberlainism.

Man, you just said a mouthful!!!

Wash DEE CEE is LOADED with 'don't rock the boat' careerists counting on DOING NOTHING to jeopardize their cushy pensions [and health benefits FOR LIFE]...look at the whole Flight School sitrep...

Wash DEE CEE has degenerated from a Government to an infestation of PARASITES!!!

127 posted on 06/21/2004 11:26:06 PM PDT by Lael (Patent Law...not a single Supreme Court Justice is qualified to take the PTO Bar Exam!)
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To: spetznaz

A very fundamental fact about Nuclear exchanges

Let's speculate on the result of a theoretical nuclear-exchange between;

Small island states(Japan, Taiwan, Cuba, G.Britain etc) against the likes of large continental land-mass nations(USA, Russia, China etc)

In such a scenario, small island nation-states would suffer much, much, more devastating damages than their large land-mass nation-states counterparts

In 1957-59, during the SUEZ CRISIS, when the USSR treathened to use nukes against Britain, unless they (Brtits) withdraw from their invasion of the Suez Canal, the British knew thair their time as a great superpower had ended. They realized that in a nuke-exchage with the USSR, Britain would be 80% devastated whereas the USSR might suffer only 20% damage--- a very one-sided exchange. Hence, the British HAD to capitulate and withdraw

If China/Japan were to have a nuke-exchange, who would suffer more damage, proportionately??????


128 posted on 06/22/2004 1:04:02 AM PDT by Smiling-Face TIGER
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To: Alberta's Child
In fact, it's the exact opposite -- borrowing money from the U.S. government effectively puts you at the mercy of that government.

That would be true if the U.S. government had some recourse short of war. What exactly, can the US govt. do other than go to war? If GWB orders an attack on China to recover the money, what would the rest of the world do? Defend us or China?

129 posted on 06/22/2004 3:41:36 AM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: rwfromkansas; hchutch; John H K
They aren't ready yet, but they are a massive country. We are like a little bug.

Why is it that "conservatives" and some college hackademics are the only folks who believe that communism actually works?

China is Enron, with nuclear weapons. The only question is how hard they're gonna crash.

130 posted on 06/22/2004 4:54:12 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: Don Joe
After the COSCO ships return to port with the food that was originally destined for us, China won't have all that much trouble feeding their own.

Minor point of correction here:

China doesn't export food to America; America exports food to China.

131 posted on 06/22/2004 4:55:46 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: neutrino
Um-hmm. And if that's true, what happens to the billions of dollars of U.S. investment in China?

It gets seized. Then again, we simply stop paying on all those bonds held by China, and that will just about kill the ChiCom economy right there.

BTW, what happens to all that US investment in China when Shanghai, Beijing, and Hong Kong get nuked by the Taiwanese? And what happens to all those US debt instruments in that same scenario?

What happens to our economy when we can't manufacture the things our military require?

Are you seriously arguing that the only place where anything is manufactured is China?

BZZT. Wrong answer.

Can you say consequences?

Absolutely. However, I doubt that you can. To assume that the Chinese can invade Taiwan without any consequences is, to put it mildly, pretty damn stupid.

132 posted on 06/22/2004 5:05:02 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: hedgetrimmer; rdb3; hchutch
Just curious, but how long do you think it takes to find a new factory, have them retool their manufacturing line, produce a prototype, get it approved, find suppliers in the area for raw goods for mass production, go into production, find a carrier that can ship it? Now I am just talking silicon and computer parts here. How long to you think it takes for an American Company to get this done and get the product back here?

If helpless hand-wringers like you are put in charge, too damn long. Leave that sort of thing to the grownups.

133 posted on 06/22/2004 5:07:41 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: Smiling-Face TIGER
A very fundamental fact about Nuclear exchanges

Just out of idle curiousity...

How can there be any "fundamental facts" about events that have never happened? Nuclear exchanges--i.e., two sides lobbing nukes at each other--are terra incognita.

134 posted on 06/22/2004 5:11:19 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: hedgetrimmer
China currently has 2.5 million troops.

And they are cutting that number in half, because they can afford 2.5 million poorly-equipped troops, or about 1.25 million well-equipped troops.

That is a sizable force if you ask me.

To attack overseas, and keep a lid on 1.3 billion people who just lost their meal ticket, all at the same time?

135 posted on 06/22/2004 5:14:42 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: Poohbah
Minor point of correction here:

China doesn't export food to America

Major point of correction here: they do.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22chinese+exports%22+food

Ask some American farmers who are taking it on the chin, as their American customers buy from China, who can undercut them even with illegal Mexican workers here.

They're MFN, you know.

136 posted on 06/22/2004 5:41:23 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Poohbah

Oh, it's YOU again? Sheesh. Didn't I tell you to quit bothering me?


137 posted on 06/22/2004 5:41:53 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe; hchutch

The net flow of food is from the US to China. Remember, "data" is the plural form of "datum," not "anecdote."

And as for not bothering you, don't post factually wrong material, and I won't supply a correction to said material. Otherwise, Tango Sierra.


138 posted on 06/22/2004 6:03:50 AM PDT by Poohbah ("Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!" -- President Ronald Reagan, Berlin, 1987)
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To: meadsjn
That's unlikely - the Free Trade Kool-Aid tastes too great

Do you mean the kind you get at Wal Mart and other discount stores? How much of what we consume comes from China, and whose fault is that?

139 posted on 06/22/2004 6:14:05 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: Tallguy

How about a deal: Taiwan for North Korea.

We support the non violent transition of Taiwan to the mainland, and China supports non violent regime change in the North and reunification of the Koreas.

I don't think that would work in the real world, but its an idea.


140 posted on 06/22/2004 6:18:44 AM PDT by conserv13
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