Posted on 06/18/2004 10:42:18 PM PDT by Polycarp IV
I'm thinking these crimes were never reported in the first place, under penalty of threat by the perpetrators (and their protectors).
Interesting link there, Dennis. Thanks.
bump for later
The faction has their correspondent contingent in the curia. My own interpretation of the term Vatican is that it is shorthand for the Church that was established by Jesus Christ,the true Church that has passed down and protected the Faith for 2000 years. In my mind the faction of the Church that supports this cardinal is more of an anti-church within.
I would be iintrested in your take on the situation.
Hmmm...yes. I believe our diocese here has at least two priests out of the country (Ireland and Mexico) who refuse to come back to "face the music," so to speak. Extradition is a long, hard process from what I gather.
".....he is a Vatican favorite..."
Dennis, the very MOMENT someone is mentioned as a 'possible next Pope' their candidacy is scotched.
In addition, the Dallas News reported evidently consulted with John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter for this description of the Cardinal. It's sufficient to advise you that the NCR is not in any way, shape, or fashion a predictor of Church workings. One could say a great deal more, but when the most liberal poster on this thread, Sinkspur, admits that HE won't buy the paper, there's a lesson there.
And while I am sure that you and I both desire and pray for peace, neither of us can forget the 'justice' half. Just another example of the erosion of definition/loss of common language which was first exemplified by the Babel story.
I know of at least three diocesan abuser priests who fled or tried to flee the country. One is down in Mexico,acting as a priest.
Aother was apprehended in Miami at the airport on his way to the Bahamas. He was out on bond prior to sentencing and is now in jail. Should be getting out pretty soon after serving 10 years I think. The third fled to Ireland where he is still in hiding. The media found the one in Mexico as well as the one in Ireland but no one seems to be able to do anything aboout it.
Two others that he seemed to protect and enable are a little different but still quite related. One was a priest from another Rite. He served as principal of one of our Catholic high schools,since closed. The complaints about him were numerous,but our ex,like Pilate washed his hands of the matter,as did the other Rites bishop.
Finally there was the "order" priest,pastor of a large parish in Mesa,that was carrying on a long relatiionship with a teen while the ex was having pastors read letters to the Faithful assuring us that there were no comlaints in the diocese for many,many years. That was always the sign that the s--t was going to hit the fan shortly. Sure enough the letter was read on Sunday and I think Tuesday,we learned via the media that the pastor had been charged.
Later in that same year the hit and run fatality occurred,God works in mysterious ways.
Regards a later post of yours. Yes,things have been very silent regards the comings and goings of the ex and his community service. I thought nothing could shame him,but I guess his latest complaint about the judge not letting him go to his "summons" from the Pope to attend his ad limina visit may have caused his puppet string puller to snip those strings. It may be that the ex has outlasted his usefulness to the cause.
From the beginning of this sordid chapter,i have believed that some of these bishops that played officer for the "enemy" were going to find that they were no longer useful and they would be tossed out in the cold. I predict this is going to be happening to many of our very favorite bishops soon.(sarc,on the "our very favorite)
The Jesuits? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! oh no, not the sons of Ignatius! Well, yes my friend - you are correct. The media will probably not be inclinded to investigate this this, the leading liberal order, whose members are so often consulted on religious matters by the press. But the reality is that they are dying by the droves of AIDS (as reported in the NY TImes Book review a while back). They have shrunk from a world wide membership of 36,000 in the 60s to less then a third of that number today. DIGNITY - the radical gay Catholic movement wich openly espouses homeosexual sex and relationships as morally good, was founded by the Jesuit priests at New York City's Xavier High School. What it surprise it was for students there to go to the church to pray, and walk in on "gay liturgies" in progress with priests in bright pink vestments, drag queens giving communion, etc. Interviews with recent students adn graduates of that school have informed this writer that there is an annual "Diversity Awareness Day" where the AIDS quilt is displayed at the school, and students are forced to hear lectures on AIDS awareness, "diversity", etc. ad nauseum. Students and informed alumni are well aware of the rampant homosexuality among the Jesuit faculty members. The attached parish church is a diocesan digrace - gay friendly to the max, and so imbued with liberation and "theology of diversity" as to make it ripe for official suppression as a parish. But it is certain that Cardinal Egan (Edward the terrible) will do nothing about this, as it it a rich, school, and a very rich, well attended church.
Duh! You think???? (friendly sarcasm!)The Salesians are well known at this point, by those in the know, as shuffelers of boy lovers. There is somebody in California who has multiple anti- Cardinal Mhoney, and anti-SAlesian websites where names are named (cant find the links at the moment). That person apparantly worked for them as a lay adminsistrator, adn when I read the webpages he put up - though they were rambling, they did point ot a problem that looked like it went far beyond US borders, involving a widespread "protection racket" for sexual predators. As an orthodox Catholic, I am horrified by this, but the truth must come out if there is to be a housecleaning!
You are on the right track. This has been connived at over the past century or more, and specificly (in regard to gay priests) over the past 60 or so years incresingly). BUT, the gay/pedophile clergy, evil as they are, are merely tools, being used to effect the autodestruction of the church. They are tools - ultimately in the hands of Old Scrat, but more specificly in the hands of humans who are in his employ.
Then I must be fortunate because as far as I know Archbishop Vlazny and the abbot of the Benedictine Mount Angel worked very well together.
Priests from both diocesan ranks and the abbey were suspended from active participation/service.
Scary!
**Oscar Andreas Rodriguiz Maradiago won't become Pope but is a Vatican favorite. He will be mentioned a lot when the new Pope is chosen as a sop to Hispanics and 3rd worlders. Same as the Vatican, he favors the Paleostinians over Israel.**
Scary! Part of the beginning of the endtimes? Antichirst, the Beast, everything?
Holy Spirit be our guide!
"The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops."
I think I credited it right, if I am mistaken, let me know.
Great. That's all the Church needs, a communist Pope.
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