Posted on 06/18/2004 6:38:11 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
To be honest, I can't remember. The man was a guest at a ranch in Big Sur that we were visiting. We talked with him a few times over a course of a couple days, but didn't stay in contact after he left the ranch.
Maybe your Uncle might remember a cargo net problem delaying a take-off during the time of the attacks. Was he flying out of DFW on 9/11?
I'v also read about that 5th plane on Sep 11th. Did anyone else read that story. There were 2 Arabs who were on a Plane in JFK airport in Queens NY. This was about 9 30 am. The 2 planes already crashed in the WTC. Apparently, they caused a fuss on the plane and people got suspicious of them. The 2 Arabs then got off the plane. Alot of people said that was the 5th plane to be hijacked.
There targets could have been the Empire state building or Chrysler building.
The truth is even sadder than that. Several file cabinets full of documents found with the 1993 terrorists were left untranslated in some office somewhere.
Since it was now a criminal case under the rules of GORELICK the information could not be shared with intelligence agencies.
Are you a member at Time Bomb 2000? Just curious...
September 19, 2001
NYTimes
Officials Say 2 More Jets May Have Been in the Plot
BYLINE: By DAVID JOHNSTON and JAMES RISEN
WASHINGTON, Sept. 18
Federal authorities said today that they were investigating the possibility that terrorists might have plotted to commandeer two more commercial flights on the day that four planes were hijacked and used in attacks on New York and the Pentagon.
Law enforcement officials said they were taking the possibility of other hijack targets seriously, based on information from several sources, including citizens' tips and information from cooperating witnesses.
One flight under investigation is American Airlines Flight 43, which left Newark International Airport about 8:10 a.m. bound for Los Angeles; it made an emergency landing in Cincinnati after the government ordered all flights grounded.
The other flight is American Airlines Flight 1729 from Newark to San Antonio via Dallas that was scheduled to depart at 8:50 a.m. and was later forced to land at St. Louis.
Attorney General John Ashcroft acknowledged that the authorities were investigating whether other aircraft besides the four might have been targeted. But, Mr. Ashcroft added, "we are not able at this time to confirm that."
Mr. Ashcroft said that 75 people who might have information in the case were in custody on immigration charges, and reports of new arrests came in today from Los Angeles, Detroit and Orlando, Fla.
As investigators continued to make arrests and conduct searches, law enforcement officials acknowledged that the F.B.I.'s efforts to conduct electronic surveillance of foreign terrorists in the United States had been troubled in recent months, prompting an internal inquiry into possible abuses.
Justice Department and F.B.I. officials, who acknowledged the existence of the internal investigation, said the inquiry had forced officials to examine their monitoring of several suspected terrorist groups, among them Al Qaeda, the network led by Osama bin Laden, and Hamas, the militant Palestinian group. Al Qaeda is the group that President Bush and others have cited for last week's attacks.
Senior F.B.I. and Justice Department officials said that they had not allowed the internal investigation of terrorism-related wiretaps to affect their ability to monitor Al Qaeda or Hamas. But other officials said the inquiry might have hampered electronic surveillance of terror groups.
The matter remains highly classified.
The officials said the internal inquiry was opened in part because of legal problems arising from the government's investigation into the 1998 bombings of two American Embassies in East Africa, involving Al Qaeda members
Today, law enforcement officials said that the evidence of a broader plot in the airliner hijackings was suggestive but inconsistent. In the case of American Airlines Flight 1729, the authorities have detained two men from the flight who were arrested aboard an Amtrak train in Fort Worth after their flight had been forced to land in St. Louis. The two men, identified as Ayubali Ali Kahn and Mohammed Jaweed Azmath, were the only people aboard the flight who appeared to be suspicious; each of the other flights had hijack teams of four or five men.
A senior F.B.I. official said today that the authorities were examining hundreds of e-mail messages to and from the suspected hijackers and their known associates.
The messages were mainly in English and Arabic, said the official, who would not describe the content aside from saying that the messages were provided by large Internet service providers.
American intelligence officials also said today that they had received a report that Mohamed Atta, a suspected hijacker on American Airlines Flight 11, which struck the World Trade Center North Tower, met several months ago with an Iraqi intelligence official in Europe. The American officials said the report of the meeting had been received in the last few days.
The officials said they were not sure of the purpose of the meeting, if it did occur, and were investigating the possible connection. They emphasized that it did not prove that Iraq played a role in the attacks.
In addition to the two men who were arrested on the Amtrak train and taken to New York as material witnesses in the investigation, federal agents have also taken to New York for questioning a man who was arrested in Minnesota in mid-August on a passport violation after he sought training on a airplane flight simulator.
The man, Zacarias Moussaoui, apparently raised suspicion at the Pan Am International Flight Academy in Eagan, Minn., although officials with the academy have declined to describe why.
Within days of Mr. Moussaoui's arrest, federal agents showed up at the Airman Flight School in Oklahoma, where he had enrolled earlier in the year, said Dale Davis, director of operations at the flight school. Mr. Davis said the agents took copies of Mr. Moussaoui's immigration form and asked, among other things, whether Mr. Moussaoui had ever made anti-American statements. Mr. Davis said he told the agents that Mr. Moussaoui had not.
At the same time, investigators appeared to be uncertain about the scope of the entire operation, particularly in cities outside the Northeast. Several connections to San Antonio have been developed.
Albader Alhazmi, a 34-year-old radiologist from San Antonio, is being held in New York as a material witness, one official said. Dr. Alhazmi's home and workplace have been searched.
The internal debate at the Justice Department and F.B.I. over wiretap surveillance of terrorist groups ignited in March, prompted by questions raised by Royce C. Lamberth, the chief judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, a little-known panel that decides whether to approve Justice Department applications to permit wiretaps and clandestine searches in espionage and international terror cases.
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They had a very interesting program on it with the controllers that were watching the blips at the time. It was absolutely amazing.
As far as searching everyone...On what grounds?? And suppose you found 10 more Muslims that had a knife or a box cutter or whatever. We didn't know that we were looking for Muslims. AND there were probably 100 WASPS that were packin'.
In the 60's, there were a lot of hijackings associated with Cuba. The pilot control room doors should have been secured way back then.
Pilot and plane missing. No wreckage, no trace of anything.
No...don't know what it is.
Recon satellites do not have anything like 100% coverage. You would have to get very lucky.
Umm, I don't think so. Bought the farm on 27 July 1998.
The rules of discovery are very different in civil as opposed to criminal cases. In civil cases, you can only hide evidence up to a point, that is used for impeachment purposes, and then only from third party witnesses typically. The criminal case rules are totally different, and since I don't do criminal law, thank heavens, I cannot be of much help. But my vague impression, is that the prosecution does have to turn over much of its evidence beforehand, but not all, and I am not sure how the two categories are divided, and the defense does not have to turn over anything.
Thanks, I'm not a lawyer, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express!
Good catch. Wrong tail number, clearly, since the missing plane incident was three years later.
DynCorp sure is hip deep in this stuff, eh?
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