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To: Tamsey
>>>You pretend that McClintock had it in the bag by himself to start and Arnold ruined it for him.

LOL What bull! Never said anything of the sort. I don't engage in pretentious behavior or revisionism either. That is your strong suit. You still claim that GovRino is a political conservative, even after you've been given endless examples of his political liberalism. Now you're blaming me for something I never said, while you resort to an argumentative posture in the hopes of convincing yourself, you were right. Sorry, you came up short again. You lost the debate again.

In true Hollywood fashion, Arnold stepped into the recall campaign. The fact that Issa, Simon and others may have pulled out, was of no consequence to McClintock's candidacy. McClintock wasn't a spoiler. He represented political conservatism and remains a loyal Republican. See jimrob's remarks I posted at RE:#106 on this thread. If I'm not mistaken, Arnold even highlighted a recent fund raiser for McClintock's reelection effort. So there's no hard feelings between McClintock and the Governor.

188 posted on 06/19/2004 12:11:36 PM PDT by Reagan Man (THE CHOICE IS CLEAR..........RE-ELECT BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Reagan Man
You still claim that GovRino is a political conservative, even after you've been given endless examples of his political liberalism.

You have a pretty low threshhold for what you consider "liberalism". I get the feeling that some people here think anything short of dragging your woman around by the hair is "liberal".
I keep asking myself this question: who is the real "RINO"? The Republican who wins the office for his party, campaigns for the party to get more Republicans elected, and brings new life, voters, and respect to the GOP, or the the one who constantly slags him for doing it, bringing only harm to the GOP?

You continue to break Reagan's 11th Commandment. You bring dishonor and disgrace to Ronald Reagan's name. Please stop using it. You do not represent him or his values. You bring nothing but shame to his name and his party.

McClintock wasn't a spoiler. He represented political conservatism and remains a loyal Republican.

McClintock was a spoiler, but just not a very good one. He was't successful enough to actually spoil the Republicans' victory. He is no loyal Republican. Period. No way you can pretend he is loyal. If he were loyal, he wouldn't have been playing the spoiler. He may indeed represent the far extreme of political conservativism, but don't confuse that with being a loyal Republican. A loyal Republican has the victory of the party as his primary concern. The Republican party is a network of politicians helping each other raise money and get elected. McClintock does not fit that description. Arnold fits it far better. If anyone is a "RINO" it is McClintock. He has worked against the Republican party far more than he has worked for it. At this point, even John McCain is a more loyal Republican than Tom McClintock.
198 posted on 06/19/2004 1:01:29 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.freepgs.com/counterpunch)
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To: Reagan Man
You still claim that GovRino is a political conservative

That's another strawman for you... same MO... strawmen, revision and insults. What I've said repeatedly is that he is a fiscal conservative, social moderate.

The fact that Issa, Simon and others may have pulled out, was of no consequence to McClintock's candidacy.

You're right... it would have fizzled anyways and one of them would have been running if Arnold hadn't stepped in. McClintock failed at piddly Controller's race in 2002 and I believe he also failed two statewide elections in the 90's. The majority of Californians aren't attracted to his hard conservative platform.

So there's no hard feelings between McClintock and the Governor.

In other words he is better behaved than his followers and knows the right will get further if we stick together with the moderates when necessary.

211 posted on 06/19/2004 2:11:51 PM PDT by Tamzee (Noonan on Reagan, "...his leadership changed the world... As president, he was a giant.")
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