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Missile kills Pakistan tribal head
CNN ^ | Friday, June 18 | Syed Mohsin Naqvi

Posted on 06/17/2004 11:16:30 PM PDT by AdmSmith

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Alliance of Islamic groups in Pakistan on Wednesday opposed a government plan to deploy 10,000 more troops in the country's tribal region along the Afghan border to control cross-border infiltration.

At a joint press conference with the United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Pakistani Foreign Minister Khurshid Kasuri said on Tuesday that Pakistan would deploy another 10,000 along the border with Afghanistan, which would raise the troop's number there to 90,000.

"The government should withdraw decision to deploy more troops as it will affect the peace process in the volatile tribal region, " Secretary General of the six-party alliance Mutahida Majlis-e- Amal (MMA) Maulana Fazal-ur-Rehman said.

"We demand withdrawal of the troops already deployed near the Afghan border in the tribal region," Fazal told the private Geo TV.

Pakistan said it had deployed some 80,000 troops along Afghan border to check the cross border movement of Taliban and al-Qaeda suspects.

The Afghan government said Taliban had sanctuaries in Pakistan and they crossed into Afghanistan from Pakistan tribal region for attacks.

Kabul urged Islamabad to take more steps to check Taliban activities.

"People in tribal areas are very sensitive about the army's presence as the deployment has pitched the army and tribesmen against each other. There is anxiety in the area. The army must leave the area for the sake of peace efforts," the MMA leader said.

"It is very surprising that the government made deployment of 10,000 more troops in the tribal areas when the American Secretary of State flew into Pakistan," he said.

He said that the government had already deployed thousands of troops to tribal areas under the pretext that they would be deployed along the border.

"But everyone knows what condition they are facing now in the tribal areas," he added.

"The people will take sigh of relief after the army withdrawal from the tribal region," he said.

Fazal said that the army deployment had weakened the traditional jirga (council of tribal elders) system as well as slashed powers of the local administration to deal with the situation.

Fazal said that the anti-government elements in North Waziristan had announced cease-fire and the deployment of more troops would harm peace efforts.


Source: Xinhua




http://english.people.com.cn/200606/28/eng20060628_278232.html

Comment: Naturally, the Islamists are not in favor of reducing the importance of the Jirga. The Pakistani government has to take real control of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. On the positive side we should remember that the first time the regular army entered the area (in substantial numbers) was in 2004. They need much more than 80,000 soldiers. But will they do it as this would be a head-on confrontation with the Salafists/Deobandis, and not only in the FATA?
1,461 posted on 06/29/2006 12:01:08 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: jeffers; Boot Hill; Dog; Cap Huff; Coop; nuconvert

A nice map. Mark the hiding place with a dot!

http://www.maplandia.com/pakistan/f-a-t-a/


1,462 posted on 07/02/2006 4:51:59 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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Mirpur cricket ground? lol


1,463 posted on 07/02/2006 5:47:37 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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ping


1,464 posted on 07/02/2006 5:52:03 AM PDT by Tribune7
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Bin Laden´s bodyguards in Peshawar

http://www.newstatesman.com/200607030035


1,465 posted on 07/03/2006 7:12:31 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

Some day we are going to punch his ticket....and mark it paid in full.


1,466 posted on 07/03/2006 12:45:31 PM PDT by Dog (The founders gave freedom of the press to the people, they didn't give freedom to the press.)
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...and close this thread...


1,467 posted on 07/03/2006 2:14:41 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

Amen brother....


1,468 posted on 07/03/2006 4:01:05 PM PDT by Dog (The founders gave freedom of the press to the people, they didn't give freedom to the press.)
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Inside the anti-US resistance
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

Osama Bin Laden is ill and invisible, but five years after September 11, 2001, his al-Qaeda movement has become the fulcrum of a global, Islamic resistance against the United States.

Asia Times Online has learned from an operative close to the al-Qaeda leadership that bin Laden languishes on a dialysis machine, in rapidly declining health.

"Sheikh [Osama] was in a poor condition when my father last visited," said the operative, who uses the name "Abdullah". Abdullah's father, known as Sheikh Ibrahim, is number two after Tahir Yuldeshev in the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IUM), a group closely allied with al-Qaeda and the Taliban, and operating in Afghanistan, Uzbekistan and Pakistan.

Sheikh Ibrahim's meeting with bin Laden took place "a few weeks ago", Abdullah told Asia Times Online in an interview at the end of June in a northern Pakistani city. Abdullah had traveled there from North Waziristan, a Pakistani tribal agency on the Afghanistan border, to meet this correspondent.

"He [bin Laden] asked all of us to pray for his health. For the past many months he has been on dialysis and just cannot move. My father never told me where he was when he met Osama ... but he was worried about his fast-waning health."

Nevertheless, said Abdullah, the al-Qaeda leadership remains in Afghanistan and still serves as the nucleus of the movement.

"Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri [bin Laden's number two] is very active in Afghanistan and controlling affairs. Most of the Arab fighters left Afghanistan after the US invasion of Iraq and many went there to fight. But the main leadership of al-Qaeda continued to stay in Afghanistan," Abdullah said.

Abdullah is a tall, strongly built 23-year-old. He lived through some very hard times after the US invasion of Afghanistan and the Taliban's subsequent retreat. His family moved to Pakistan's southern city of Karachi, and later went abroad. In 2003, when the Taliban regrouped in South Waziristan, his family returned to Karachi.

Abdullah has been in a position to observe the rise and fall of the Taliban over the past eight years, due to his father's senior position in the IMU as well as his own involvement with the movement.

"Until the end of 2003 Karachi was the focal point of all al-Qaeda, Taliban and other people who fled from Afghanistan. But constant intelligence operations forced us to leave Karachi and by the end of 2003 we reached South Waziristan, where my father joined hands with Sheikh Essa [an Egyptian] and Tahir Yuldeshev," Abdullah said.

He confirmed Asia Times Online reports that bin Laden had been short of funds, hampering al-Qaeda operations. Still, Abdullah maintained that the al-Qaeda leadership would remain in Afghanistan despite all difficulties, because of the country's identification with Bilad-i-Khurasan - a land, Muslims believe, where Muslim armies will finally regroup and go to liberate the "land of Abraham" from the Anti-God (Dajal).

"I have heard this notion since the days when Abu Hafs [the al-Qaeda number three who was killed in a US strike on Kabul in 2001] was alive. He often repeated that," Abdullah said.

Abdullah also revealed that international players are aligning themselves with al-Qaeda and the Taliban in a global Islamic alliance to fight the US.

"The money is now with Tahir Yuldeshev, who organizes Uzbek youths in South Waziristan. Where the money comes from is a mystery, but a few years ago I personally witnessed two sources of his funding, one from Turkey and the other from Saudi Arabia. Both were private people. I was with Tahir and I personally saw him receiving money in Madina," Abdullah said.

"Many months ago, I learned about a delegation of Muslim youths from Russia who met with Mullah Omar [the Taliban leader] and offered to arrange a supply of Russian-made missiles and sophisticated weapons, for cash. Mullah Omar refused the deal.

"However, recently another development happened which once again reminded us that international forces are aiming at us.

"The development occur in the wake of differences between the Uzbeks. A group of Uzbeks, to which I belong, defied Tahir Yuldeshev because of his dictatorial behavior. We left South Waziristan and went to the North Waziristan town of Mir Ali. His dictatorial behavior aside, there were many other rumors in circulation about him. All put a question mark on Tahir's integrity."

(At this time, Yuldeshev was settled in South Waziristan and allied himself with local commander Abdullah Mehsud. Yuldeshev was not active on any front.)

"There were a lot of things published in the Russian press about Tahir's connection with Americans. We were not sure about that, but the way Tahir made himself aloof from al-Qaeda and the Taliban created doubts," Abdullah said.

Yuldeshev then "circulated a message through a CD, strictly for his Uzbek circle, in which he stated that a smear campaign was being run against him by Russia. Tahir said that Russians contacted him, and after he approved they came to see him in South Waziristan and offered him a deal to finance him and provide arms and ammunition to fight against the Americans in Afghanistan, on condition that he gave up his struggle in Uzbekistan.

"Tahir said on the CD that he refused the offer outright, after which a campaign was run to malign him and portray him as having CIA [the US's Central Intelligence Agency] connections."

Nevertheless, as Asia Times Online has reported, recently a greater alliance hasbeen formed throughout North and South Waziristan. Yuldeshev has changed his reclusive behaviour and joined hands with Haji Omar, Biatullah Mehsud and other Taliban commanders in a new drive against the American-led forces in Afghanistan.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HG08Df01.html

comments: Yuldashev is a Russian operative according to this http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-news/1617025/posts
1,469 posted on 07/09/2006 5:14:37 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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Interesting


1,470 posted on 07/09/2006 6:53:59 PM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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This is a description of the security measures that is required when Musharraf is visiting Chitral (and other places)

Editorial

The president of Pakistan has just completed his two days visit to Chitral. The people are indeed grateful to him for taking interest in providing an all weather road to Chitral in the form of the under construction Lowari tunnel.

During his public address here, the president spoke very well on issues, foremost being the curse of extremism. The president said, the verses from the Holy Quran which stress upon moderation be not recited only, but be put into practice also. His vision about moderation and rejecting extremism in all its forms and manifestations cannot but be appreciated. However the facts on ground witnessed during his recent visit to Chitral present a picture, contrary to his sermon.

Nobody can deny the fact that the President needs high security protection in these times, but then there is a limit to everything. Days before the presidential visit, over, an estimated two thousand paramilitary troops and police from different parts of the NWFP, as far as Tochi and South Waziristan were ushered into Chitral, manning and checking every passer by at every nook and corner.

For the two days that the president stayed in Chitral, a virtual curfew was imposed in the town on the local population whom the president is never tired of calling 'peace loving'. Shutters were forced down in the markets for two full days, causing huge economic losses to an already hard pressed people. The economic losses incurred by Chitral due to this kind of security arrangement are estimated to be far more than the President's financial grant to Chitral. Even the sick were not allowed to reach hospitals as the roads were dead blocked and people ordered to stay indoors, for security reasons of course. The blockade of Lowari pass road and cancellation of PIA flights are too small discomforts to even be counted. In fact the whole town presented the picture of a grave yard with semblance to a George Bush visit to Iraq .

For the first time, instead of being awed by an official show of power, the Chitralis felt utterly disgusted. It was indeed the most expensive and most intemperate security arrangement witnessed in Chitral for any dignitary so far, all at the cost of the 'peaceful' Chitrali population. Many in Chitral question "Is this not a form and manifestation of extremism?". Well, it certainly is not moderation. It also reminds us of the time old adage "Do as I say, not as I do".

http://www.chitralnews.com/Editorial12.htm
1,471 posted on 07/11/2006 1:12:43 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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Meanwhile on a planet far far away (from the Bekaa valley)...

PAKISTAN: BIN LADEN HIDING ON CHINA BORDER, REPORTS

Islamabad, 21 July (AKI) - The Pakistani authorities on Thursday ordered the evacuation of a northern area of the country, near the border with China, of tourists and foreigners after receiving intelligence reports of the possible presence of Osama bin Laden in the area. According to Arab daily al-Hayat, the presence of the al-Qaeda leader was reported in the extreme north of Pakistan in an area that borders China and Afghanistan. For this reason hundreds of tourists - most of them European - were made to leave the Chalinji Pass and the Wakhan corridor and the security forces closed all access to the area.

The intelligence reports that had reached Islamabad indicated that bin Laden and his deputy Egyptian doctor Ayman al-Zawahiri - along with other leading figures of the al-Qaeda terror network - had decided to use the area bordering China as a secure refuge as it is not controlled by the US military.

Al-Hayat says the reports were confirmed by Western embassy sources in Islamabad, who indicated that the choice of sticking near the China border was because US military bombers would not attack that area for fear of hitting China.

http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.323457297&par=0
1,472 posted on 07/22/2006 2:03:22 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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Sounds very plausible to me


1,473 posted on 07/22/2006 5:01:08 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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SOUTH ASIA INTELLIGENCE REVIEW

Weekly Assessments & Briefings

Volume 5, No. 7, August 28, 2006

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/sair/Archives/5_7.htm

Long War in Waziristan

Guest Writer: Amir Mir in Pakistan

Former editor of Weekly Independent now affiliated with Reuters and Gulf News

The nonstop violence in Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) on the Pak-Afghan border has become a cause of great concern for the United States and her allies in the war on terror, especially Afghanistan, given the fact that the Taliban have virtually taken over the entire North Waziristan tribal area, which could be used as a major military base to wage their resistance against the US-led forces in Afghanistan.

The ongoing fighting began in 2004, when the Pakistan Army entered the region inhabited by the Waziri tribe in search of al Qaeda and Taliban fighters who were using the Waziristan area as a base for launching deadly attacks against the US-led Allied forces in Afghanistan. Since the fighting began, the Pakistani forces have suffered heavy casualties at the hands of the Taliban militia due to roadside bombs and ambushes. The law and order situation in the lawless tribal border land has come to a pass where the writ of the Pakistan Government is almost non existent.

Almost three years down the road after the military operations were launched, the Taliban militia, backed by al Qaeda, has virtually established an Islamic Republic in the rugged and remote Waziristan region, with the Pakistan Army desperately trying to broker a peace deal with it. While the Army wants an assurance from the Taliban that they would not cross the Pak-Afghan border to attack the US-led coalition forces, the militants want the military authorities to release all their colleagues and pay monetary compensation for the damage caused to their property during the operations, to pave the way for the peace deal.

On July 25, 2006, the militants in North Waziristan had announced a ceasefire which they subsequently extended to September 10, 2006, as Leader of Opposition in National Assembly Maulana Fazlur Rehman joined efforts to help clear some obstacles to an agreement for restoring peace in the restive tribal region. Two of the three issues that have bedeviled the peace agreement have already been taken care of: the release of over a dozen militants and the return of seized weaponry. However, the withdrawal of the military from the North Waziristan Agency, one of the key militants’ demands, is yet to be worked out.

Despite the deployment of over 80,000 Pakistani troops along the Afghan border in the tribal areas to capture the fugitive Taliban and al Qaeda elements, the situation is far from stable in a region that is crucial to three world capitals -- Islamabad, Washington and Kabul. Waziristan, often in the news due to frequent clashes between Pakistani security forces and the Taliban militants, is now more-or-less controlled by the local Taliban, which has established a foothold in both North and South Waziristan and has opened recruiting offices these areas to hire new fighters.

As the recruitment drive started last year, many former members of Pakistani jehadi organizations belonging to the banned Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (HuM), Harkat-ul-Jehad-al-Islami (HuJI), Laskhar-e-Toiba (LeT) and Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM), have converged on North and South Waziristan. According to rough estimates, about 25,000 activists of several jehadi organisation had assembled in North and South Waziristan alone in 2005, with the declared determination to “fight until the last man and the last bullet”. And most of them are still siding with the local Taliban in their ongoing fight against the Pakistani security forces.

Waziristan, 11,585 square kilometers of remote mountain valleys, is historically an area that cannot easily be conquered or subjugated. Most of the Taliban active in the region are largely members of Pashtun tribes, although they include some Afghans, Uzbeks, Chechens, and Arabs who fled Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban regime. Ethnic Pashtuns, who live on both sides of the Pak-Afghan border, also make up the Taliban movement in Afghanistan. This poses two major problems for Washington and Kabul. First, the Pakistani militants continue to shelter the Afghan Taliban and al Qaeda fighters as they flee US-led allied forces. Secondly, Pakistani recruits are being trained to launch ambushes and suicide bombings in Afghanistan.

Several major military operations have been carried out in Waziristan since 2004, which Pakistani military authorities claimed were ‘successfully concluded’. These operations literally turned Waziristan into a war zone, yet the fight still goes on despite the use of Cobra helicopters and long-range artillery by the Pakistan Army to target the Militia. The Taliban, under the leadership of Haji Mohammad Omar, is now a force to be reckoned with in the area due to a weakening political administration. Omar had first enforced a rigid social order in Waziristan in 2004 and then declared, in December 2005, the establishment of an Islamic state in Waziristan governed by Islamic law.

Not many outside Waziristan are familiar with the name of Haji Mohammad Omar, but in Waziristan, it is a name that commands great respect and awe. Omar is the chief of the Pakistani Taliban which has put up tough resistance against the Pakistani military troops in the tribal region, to take control of large parts of Waziristan. Haji Omar, 55 had served as one of the many lieutenants of Taliban ameer Mullah Mohammad Omar until the fall of the Taliban regime in November 2001. Haji Omar’s writ runs virtually unchallenged in South Waziristan while he is hopeful that his commanders would soon establish Taliban control in North Waziristan as well.

Omar’s three important commanders include Maulana Sadiq Noor, Maulana Abdul Khaliq and Maulana Sangeen Khan. US intelligence sleuths stationed in Pakistan allege that the Taliban have already lined up more than 100 suicide squads for suicide missions, with specific targets all over Afghanistan.

Three major tribes currently live in North Waziristan, which has become the principal stronghold of the Taliban outside Afghanistan: the Wazirs, the Mehsuds and the Dawar. British soldiers referred to the Wazirs as wolves and the Mehsuds as panthers of the mountains while the Dawar have traditionally been peace-loving, preferring shop-keeping to guns and towns over mountains.

The Mehsud and Wazir tribes have been arch-rivals for centuries. Traditionally, the Mehsuds have been part of the Pakistani establishment, and as recently as the past few years they supported the military's actions against the Wazir tribes, who are mostly Taliban. Things are, however changing, and traditional roles and rivalries have shifted. In North Waziristan, Maulana Sadiq Noor and Maulana Abdul Khaliq, the unbending leaders of the Taliban-led resistance, are both Dawar and, even more surprising, the Wazirs and the Mehsuds have accepted their command.

Currently, the man responsible for launching the Taliban raids into Afghanistan is Maulana Sangeen Khan, an Afghan from the neighboring Khost province. In South Waziristan, Haji Mohammad Omar, a Waziri, is the commander of the resistance movement against the Pakistani security forces, while the Afghan operations run from the area are taken care of by Abdullah Mehsud, the chieftain of the Mehsud tribe. Never before has there been such an arrangement in centuries, where Mehsuds and Wazirs have fought side-by-side, and more, under the command of the Dawars.

Since there is no clear demarcation of the Pak-Afghan border, the Taliban and al Qaeda fighters sheltering in the tribal belt under the control of Wazirs, Mehsuds and Dawars easily cross the border and attack their targets on Afghan soil, using the mountain terrain to strategic advantage, and then melt into the villages located in the Pak-Afghan border areas. The result is that the al Qaeda-backed Taliban resistance movement in Afghanistan continues to gain strength in the tribal areas of Pakistan, which provide natural strategic depth to Taliban and al Qaeda fighters.

Consequently, hardly a day now goes by without Afghanistan urging Pakistan to do more to help overcome insurgency in the southern and eastern parts of Afghanistan. The anxiety being expressed by the Karzai administration is understandable and not entirely misplaced, given the fact that much of the trouble along the border area of Afghanistan happens to be a result of the Taliban militia crossing over from the Pakistani side of the border. In the past, the Afghan mujahideen too had bases in the Waziristan region which they used as launching pads to make frequent incursions into Afghanistan to target the occupying Soviet troops. Under these circumstances, the Musharraf regime is often blamed for whatever is happening in Afghanistan, given the quantum of activity within close proximity of the Pak-Afghan border. Many visiting US officials have stated time and again in the recent past that Islamabad should fulfill its international obligations by curtailing the movement of miscreants from its side of the border as it cannot simply absolve itself by asking Kabul to tighten control on the other side. They have made it clear that the issue is not just placing 80,000 Pakistani troops on the border, but rather how effective that force has been in accomplishing its mission objective. On the other hand, the Army’s troops in Waziristan have apparently been bogged down by an insurgency which has proved to be more lethal and dangerous than the one in Afghanistan itself. The Taliban have turned their guns on the Pakistani forces, pro-government tribal elders and intelligence operatives. Statistically speaking, the Pakistani security forces have lost more personnel – almost three times more, since the operation was launched in 2004 – than the US has since 2001, in its ongoing war on terror in Afghanistan. Before the ceasefire between the military and the militants in Waziristan was announced, ambushes and roadside bomb attacks against the Pakistani security forces had been as frequent as they were across the border, forcing the Army leadership to consider an out-of-the-box solution. Going by Musharraf’s own admission [in an interview with the British daily Guardian on May, 5, 2006] “Extremism in a Talibanised form is what people are now going for. Mullah Omar and the Taliban have influence in Waziristan and it is now spilling over into our settled areas”. Musharraf did not mention the names of the ‘settled areas’ but the Districts falling under these areas include Dera Ismail Khan, Tank, Lakki Marwat, Bannu, Hangu and Kohat, all in the southern North West Frontier Province (NWFP), and all very conservative and largely under the political influence of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (F), led by the leader of the opposition in the National Assembly, Maulana Fazlur Rahman. Yet in the same vein, Musharraf claimed quite amusingly that the war against al Qaeda had ‘almost been won’ in Waziristan. By saying so, the General contradicted none other than himself, because the increase in support for the Taliban and their leader Mullah Omar in Waziristan, as confessed by him, meant that the Osama-led organisation too would benefit from the surge in the Taliban’s popularity. Independent analysts say that al Qaeda may have suffered physical and infrastructural losses in terms of the decimation of its bases in Afghanistan and the killing and capture of its operatives, but there is no evidence to suggest that the ideology it professes has registered a decline. Under these circumstances, it appears that the Taliban resistance movement in both Pakistan and Afghanistan will continue to gain strength until and unless Islamabad abandons its current policy which actually seeks to keep the Taliban alive in the hope of using them to retrieve its lost influence in Afghanistan.

Comment: Unfortunately, Pakistan is instead fighting in Balochistan. It is time for a new policy in Pakistan and Musharraf should deliver the real stuff.
1,474 posted on 08/29/2006 9:59:53 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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I imagine we have no bases near that area where we could use drones from?


1,475 posted on 08/29/2006 10:01:26 AM PDT by oceanview
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There are, but the present ROE does not allow it. Check the first article in this thread about the "necking" of Nek. ;-)
1,476 posted on 08/29/2006 10:10:16 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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Adm...everytime I see a ping to this thread my heart skips a beat...


1,477 posted on 08/29/2006 11:36:58 AM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog

That why I'm not posting that often...


1,478 posted on 08/29/2006 11:46:36 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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I don't get it - we've conducted drone attacks inside Pakistan, how would this region be different?


1,479 posted on 08/29/2006 1:12:26 PM PDT by oceanview
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Some drone activity is for reconnaissance, some for "action", but the rule of engagement at present prohibits the latter in certain areas. However, the situation in this region is such that the 80,000 star-troopers from Pakistan have to take the lead, but they are not.


1,480 posted on 08/29/2006 1:44:01 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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