Evolution is a theory in crisis

St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | 6/17/04 | BOB HAZEN

[smonk]

oh, yeah. this'll be a sleepy, neglected thread.

[Tribune7]

ping :-)

[185JHP]

There's a planted axiom in this nonsense theory. The deal for the evos is moral free agency - a complete lack of responsibility. "Do what thou wilt..."

[RightWingAtheist]

Jeez, they actually allow this guy to teach MATH? The basis of all science? Does he also tell kids that 2+2=5? That the value of pi is anything you want it to be?

PH, better call in the Thomas Huxley Battalion

[Strategerist]

Evolution explains that common features are caused by a common origin. But other scientists believe that common features may be the result of a common design, with the same effective design used repeatedly.

Evolutionists believe common features are caused either by a common origin, OR by similar adaptation to the same environment.

Dolphins and Fish superficially resemble each other in shape because they've adapted to swimming in water, with many common features. However, Dolphins evolved from land mammals that returned to water, so once you cut them open they have almost no common features with fish and lots with land mammals.

Fortunately this clown is a math teacher, certainly has no business teaching biology.

[Thane_Banquo]

Actually, as C.S. Lewis pointed out in Miracles, true naturalism (i.e., belief in only the observable and not in any higher power) implies that there is actually no such thing as freedom. This is where we find a lack of responsiblity. Freedom (or free moral agency, or whatever we call it) means that one is responsible for one's actions. But if the universe is completely fatalistic, as naturalism implies, then people cannot be responsible for their actions, since they had no choice.

We see liberals implicitly take this line of reasoning when they try to excuse child molesters or murderers or Islamokazis.

[GSlob]

The best evidence for evolution are the creationists, for they have not evolved.

[stylin_geek]

Way way back (I need Mr. Peabody's way back machine for this) when Evolution and Creation was taught to me, it was required that both be given equal time. Well, the teacher I had treated Evolution as serious scientific fact, and Creation as a joke.

[kb2614]

"Does he also tell kids that 2+2=5?"

Only if it feels good. Everythings reletive you know. ;)

[Tench_Coxe]

No more than 6 posts and the ad hominem starts. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.

[Tribune7]

Jeez, they actually allow this guy to teach MATH? The basis of all science? Does he also tell kids that 2+2=5? That the value of pi is anything you want it to be?

He makes several points which one interested in refuting him can address:

[the_Watchman]

• Let's have students discuss what committed evolutionists admit: that evolution is not so much a conclusion from evidence as it is an assumption of how the evidence should be interpreted.

When I was at OU the head of the Geology department and the head of the Zoology department debated two guys from a Creation science organization.

The Geologist was very honest. He admitted that valid models of geology could be built on either a creationist or an evolutionary viewpoint. He stated that he employed evolutionary models because of what he knew of zoology and biology.

In other words, he chose to interpret the geologic data from an evolutionary viewpoint due to assumptions derived from OTHER disciplines.

[troublesome creek]

Alas, to be named GSlob. Oozed thou from the primordial muck, GSlob?

[AndrewC]

Thanks, but when people here profess having no surprise at results that surprise scientists, I find it futile to discuss opinion with them. This thread will end up being in the backroom or the bitbucket.

[Honcho Bongs]

Why do creationists spend ALL their time trying to tear down the theory of evolution, and NONE of their time supporting their own "theory"?

[Kerberos]

"The best evidence for evolution are the creationists, for they have not evolved."

LOL....How true, how true.

[Calpernia]

Teach creationism in Sunday School.

Teach evolution in science class.

That is how I learned both.

Teaching one or the other loses valuable data.

BOTH schools of thought are needed. BOTH schools of thought bring value to moral developement.

[Strategerist]

Well, as I pointed out, his first point is either a deliberate fabrication, or an utter misunderstanding of evolution, resulting in a nonsensical point.

It's sort of hard to take people seriously that don't even remotely understand the theory they're attacking.